Author Topic: AmD and Sanspeed remaps (Read 852 times)

FWD_Boy · « **on:** February 04, 2012, 03:18:35 PM »

So before I have to start looking at a way of getting my car to Daron (TMC) to map the car with my mods I wanted to totally rule out getting the car mapped locally.

Ive found two companies that either have experience working on Abarths (Sanspeed) and or have experience mapping cars (AmD). Both companies have quoted around about the same price for fitting my new actuator and then remapping the car.

AmD have quoted Â£399 to map the car and Â£108 to fit and setup my actuator, that mapping price also includes a before and after rolling road session.

Sanspeed have quoted a combined price of Â£499 all in mapping and fitting my actuator, but didnt mention a rolling road session which Im guessing will have to include at least one rolling road session but may not include a before one like AmD.

Ive heard good and bad reviews about both but like alot of things garage experiences are very personal things and hard to gauge.

One thing to takes into account before people start saying both seem very expensive, if I was to pay Daron a visit Id have factor In both mine and Darons travel expenses regardless if I travel to him or meet somewhere in the UK.

And please dont say 'Why not save money and just get a TMC box', as its just a route Im just ,looking to go down, anyother imput is more than welcome

Hozepipe · « **Reply #1 on:** February 04, 2012, 03:36:23 PM »

If you combine it with a holiday in N.I, the travel costs don't even figure... Daron may even buy you lunch

FWD_Boy · « **Reply #2 on:** February 04, 2012, 03:41:59 PM »

Quote from: Hozepipe on February 04, 2012, 03:36:23 PM

If you combine it with a holiday in N.I, the travel costs don't even figure... Daron may even buy you lunch

Remap and dinner you say lol how could I resist. But all joking aside all the travelling costs would have to be added to the price of the work if I went to see Daron, its just alot to take in really

mightydquinn · « **Reply #3 on:** February 04, 2012, 07:27:54 PM »

Ferry is only Â£100 for day ferry.
Depends we're from.
Lunch is good in Ireland
Roads are good too

Ricey155 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 04, 2012, 07:41:10 PM »

Its your money

id like to see more remaps just to see if the TMC box is as good or better or worse, shame you can't fit a TMC box rolling road it then remove and remap it then buy the best outcome from there maybe that's what tuners should be offering

most went for the TMC box due to warranty but the cars seem pretty good full stop not many issues on the engine and drive train

TMC box is an easy fit and removal pay your money done EASY

TMC-Motorsport · « **Reply #5 on:** February 04, 2012, 08:14:53 PM »

Quote from: Ricey155 on February 04, 2012, 07:41:10 PM

Its your money

id like to see more remaps just to see if the TMC box is as good or better or worse, shame you can't fit a TMC box rolling road it then remove and remap it then buy the best outcome from there maybe that's what tuners should be offering

most went for the TMC box due to warranty but the cars seem pretty good full stop not many issues on the engine and drive train

TMC box is an easy fit and removal pay your money done EASY

The Essex dyno day done a while ago did test various cars standard, with TMC and with remaps. Do a search and read the results.

TMC-Motorsport · « **Reply #6 on:** February 04, 2012, 08:15:59 PM »

Quote from: mightydquinn on February 04, 2012, 07:27:54 PM

Ferry is only Â£100 for day ferry.
Depends we're from.
Lunch is good in Ireland
Roads are good too

And we have the best Guinness

Griffs998 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 04, 2012, 11:21:57 PM »

Right, by needing to pass a rather tedious saturday evening ive managed to come up with something of interest:

IMO a stock car + remap ( any brand) isnt going to get any more power than a stock car +TMC . TMC is already allowing max boost the stock actuator will permit at 5,500-6000rpm which is where peak power occurs. A re-map cannot magically increase boost any further at 5,500-6000rpm. A remap with advancing timing/leaning out fuel to be fair can yield a smidgeon more power but possibly at the expense of reliability headroom for the engine.

The above text is lifted from a response written by roland from GTT - most people will be familiar with him but for the benefit of newer members he used to be a trader on the forum and in short knows what he's talking about.

http://www.abarthforum.co.uk/profile/?u=7023;sa=showPosts;start=90

The link shows the last 7 pages of rolands input into the forum - before asking too many more questions i suggest people read through it -

TMC-Motorsport · « **Reply #8 on:** February 05, 2012, 08:25:11 AM »

Hi folks, maybe this will shed a bit more light on the subject, I sent a box for testing to a customer on another forum I sell on, this customer is an engineer and software programmer for the McClaren F1 race team, he was very skeptical about how the box would work and wanted to test a/f ratio etc to make sure the car didn't run too rich or too lean, I won't ramble on any more here is his own opinions , btw he kept the box

'As some of you are aware Daron at TMC offered me a deal to try one of his boxes on our 185,part of the deal was to run dyno tests on the car before and after.
The box was fitted a month ago and as soon as it was fitted we had a problem when using the hillstart ,as soon as you came to rest on a hill the engine would start "hunting"(trying to surge", i tried several settings on the box to no avail finally removing the box and trying the car again.
The problem hadnt gone away so the car was booked in with Audi and a software problem diagnosed so once fixed it was back home to re-fit the box and try again,hey presto all was fine .
And so on tuesday this week the box came off again and dyno runs got some base figures ,that evening the box went back on so as to get a couple of days running so that the ecu could "learn" the box.
Yesterday full dyno runs were carried out and the results were taken.
Before..
Bhp- 181@6179 rpm.
Torque- 187 @2290 rpm.
(both figures slightly above factory figures,but dyno differences could easily account for that,but still good healthy figures.)

After;-
219 bhp @ 5997 rpm.
Torque :- 233 @ 2188 rpm .

However when set on setting 8 :-
Bhp 226@6304 rpm.
torque 241 @ 2070 rpm.

Also with the box both Bhp and torque had a much wider spread over the rev range (where the std car tailed of its torque at 5700 rpm the kitted car continued all the was to 6700 rpm!)

Emissions were actually better with the box fitted although unburnt hydrocarbons increased above 6500 rpm on setting 8 ( no bad thing really,better rich than lean).
So the figures show a worthwhile increase over standard,but where it really matters ,on the road,the figures are even more marked.
The car was always quite brisk but now it really is a little pocket rocket,in gear overtaking is remarkable with 4th gear in particular quite devastating.
I was quite sceptical of the box at first but having lived with it i cannot recommend it highly enough.
My wife does a dozen or so trackdays a year and after leaving her normal trackday tool at home and taking the A1 for a full day at Rockingham she so enjoyed herself in the car she has now decided to sell the other car and buy a small engined car for trackdays ,as she said it was much more fun being able to really rag a small engine than using only 80% of a larger one!'

Ricey155 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 08, 2012, 10:31:59 AM »

Don't have to i bought a TMC box

i was more onto the fitting to one car both options see what was best for that car, POWER isn't the best option its all about corner LSD and suspenders, tyres

Quote from: TMC-Motorsport on February 04, 2012, 08:14:53 PM

Quote from: Ricey155 on February 04, 2012, 07:41:10 PM
Its your money

id like to see more remaps just to see if the TMC box is as good or better or worse, shame you can't fit a TMC box rolling road it then remove and remap it then buy the best outcome from there maybe that's what tuners should be offering

most went for the TMC box due to warranty but the cars seem pretty good full stop not many issues on the engine and drive train

TMC box is an easy fit and removal pay your money done EASY

The Essex dyno day done a while ago did test various cars standard, with TMC and with remaps. Do a search and read the results.

JKDesign80 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 08, 2012, 10:43:30 AM »

Quote from: Ricey155 on February 08, 2012, 10:31:59 AM

Don't have to i bought a TMC box

i was more onto the fitting to one car both options see what was best for that car, POWER isn't the best option its all about corner LSD and suspenders, tyres

Quote from: TMC-Motorsport on February 04, 2012, 08:14:53 PM
Quote from: Ricey155 on February 04, 2012, 07:41:10 PM
Its your money

id like to see more remaps just to see if the TMC box is as good or better or worse, shame you can't fit a TMC box rolling road it then remove and remap it then buy the best outcome from there maybe that's what tuners should be offering

most went for the TMC box due to warranty but the cars seem pretty good full stop not many issues on the engine and drive train

TMC box is an easy fit and removal pay your money done EASY

The Essex dyno day done a while ago did test various cars standard, with TMC and with remaps. Do a search and read the results.

TMC-Motorsport · « **Reply #11 on:** February 08, 2012, 10:44:08 AM »

Quote from: Ricey155 on February 08, 2012, 10:31:59 AM

Don't have to i bought a TMC box

i was more onto the fitting to one car both options see what was best for that car, POWER isn't the best option its all about corner LSD and suspenders, tyres

Quote from: TMC-Motorsport on February 04, 2012, 08:14:53 PM
Quote from: Ricey155 on February 04, 2012, 07:41:10 PM
Its your money

id like to see more remaps just to see if the TMC box is as good or better or worse, shame you can't fit a TMC box rolling road it then remove and remap it then buy the best outcome from there maybe that's what tuners should be offering

most went for the TMC box due to warranty but the cars seem pretty good full stop not many issues on the engine and drive train

TMC box is an easy fit and removal pay your money done EASY

The Essex dyno day done a while ago did test various cars standard, with TMC and with remaps. Do a search and read the results.

I'm not sure wearing suspenders will make a huge difference to the car

Joe · « **Reply #12 on:** February 08, 2012, 10:47:15 AM »

More worryingly...

Quote from: Ricey155 on February 08, 2012, 10:31:59 AM

LSD and suspenders

TMC-Motorsport · « **Reply #13 on:** February 08, 2012, 10:51:15 AM »

Quote from: Joe on February 08, 2012, 10:47:15 AM

More worryingly...

Quote from: Ricey155 on February 08, 2012, 10:31:59 AM
LSD and suspenders

Whatever floats your boat

AusAbarth · « **Reply #14 on:** February 08, 2012, 10:59:14 AM »

Quote from: TMC-Motorsport on February 08, 2012, 10:44:08 AM

I'm not sure wearing suspenders will make a huge difference to the car

Speak for yourself !!!

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