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« Reply #165 on: June 18, 2010, 12:31:10 PM » |
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My 2p now.... someone must have a sense of humour in quoting £900  for the bicolour option. Mono colour - £400. Since bicolour uses only half of each other, I fail to see how they can justify more than twice charge for it. Again, I refer to the Italian price list which quote 666.67 Euros ex-works / 800 Euros inc IVA (Italianspeak for VAT) which worked out as £670 more or less. That's nearly a 50% mark-up  I invite someone at Abarth UK to comment on this. i agree the bicolours i dont like and are not worth the money imo. why no black? things like the colour brake calipers smacks of Abarth going down the mini route where you have to pay for a lot that i feel should be standard. However i still want one! |
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« Reply #166 on: June 18, 2010, 12:40:10 PM » |
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Mono colour - £400. Since bicolour uses only half of each other, I fail to see how they can justify more than twice charge for it. That's nearly a 50% mark-up Its not the materials that make up the money, its the additionsl labour and tooling time that makes it more expensive. |
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« Reply #167 on: June 18, 2010, 01:11:59 PM » |
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Hmmmmm. £20,345 for bi-colour with all the trimmings, vs £19,955 for red or grey...  So disappointed with the colour options. That paddle-shift gearbox had better be very good. John do you know when you will be getting a demo in and will you know in advance what colour(s) you're going to get? |
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« Reply #168 on: June 18, 2010, 01:36:15 PM » |
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I doubt I'd be an A500C driver as I just don't like automatics (tried various in the past, including SMG & I just can't get used to having a dead left foot, regardless of how well it may change gears).
But, it's sunny today, so using the options on the last page, I just tried pricing up a white A500C with as similar spec as I could get to my white A500.
All I can say is WOW... I would say my A500 is probably a 'middle/base spec' (non-SS & I have just leather, climate & 17" wheels).
I realise that you are getting Xenons & parking sensors thrown in, but, over £4K of a difference to go topless if I wanted a similar spec in all the other areas. Over £19.5K for a fairly middle of the road spec... just can't get my head around that.
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« Reply #169 on: June 18, 2010, 02:15:50 PM » |
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Hmmmmm. £20,345 for bi-colour with all the trimmings, vs £19,955 for red or grey... So disappointed with the colour options. That paddle-shift gearbox had better be very good. John do you know when you will be getting a demo in and will you know in advance what colour(s) you're going to get? The Demos should be with us either the last week of this month or the first week of next month. I dont know what we are getting as the stock is not visable to us yet. Chances are it will be a Bi colour black and white. |
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« Reply #170 on: June 18, 2010, 02:29:14 PM » |
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I want my girlfriend to get this car. It would make her HOTTER (and I secretly want a go)
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« Reply #171 on: June 18, 2010, 02:33:36 PM » |
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Mono colour - £400. Since bicolour uses only half of each other, I fail to see how they can justify more than twice charge for it. That's nearly a 50% mark-up Its not the materials that make up the money, its the additionsl labour and tooling time that makes it more expensive. Exoticaholic - as John comments above the process and costs at Tychy to do this process are substantial it is not as simple as saying if one colour costs x why are you charging twice as much when using the same amount of paint. DuPont & Ford back in 2003 first developed a wet on wet process for doing this otherwise it is a twice bake system either does cost more than one colour you tend to have to use special primers as well. I'm sure that you can appreciate that there are substantial costs involved in doing this by whatever process. If you want expensve paint then pearlescent paint on a Maserati £5,300 is what you will get charged!! |
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« Reply #172 on: June 18, 2010, 04:38:54 PM » |
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Mono colour - £400. Since bicolour uses only half of each other, I fail to see how they can justify more than twice charge for it. That's nearly a 50% mark-up Its not the materials that make up the money, its the additionsl labour and tooling time that makes it more expensive. Exoticaholic - as John comments above the process and costs at Tychy to do this process are substantial it is not as simple as saying if one colour costs x why are you charging twice as much when using the same amount of paint. DuPont & Ford back in 2003 first developed a wet on wet process for doing this otherwise it is a twice bake system either does cost more than one colour you tend to have to use special primers as well. I'm sure that you can appreciate that there are substantial costs involved in doing this by whatever process. If you want expensve paint then pearlescent paint on a Maserati £5,300 is what you will get charged!! Perhaps. But if you refer to the Italian market prices, bicolour is 800 Euros including Italian VAT. Ex-works? 666.67 Euros. That worked out as nearly £670 (or £557 ex works) at today's exchange rate. £900 represents a 35% mark-up (finally got my sums right rather than early 50% earlier today) Why? Your reasoning @ process and costs at Tychy is fair enough, but if we British customers are being charged 35% more than rest of Europe just for wanting two colours, does it sound right? I still like it and am keen on it, but I expect a level playing field on prices. |
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« Reply #173 on: June 18, 2010, 05:11:04 PM » |
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I expect a level playing field on prices.
Why is that Exoticaholic? Is supply and demand for it the same in the UK as everywhere else? Are wages equal so that Italians can afford to pay the same price? There's nothing fair about the pricing between the countries - it simply comes down to what each market will bear. |
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« Reply #174 on: June 18, 2010, 05:32:09 PM » |
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Just to point something out about the Bicolour in the Italian market it is €1,700 more as you have to have the leather with the paint in the UK we are being offered it as a split option.
On the price well the UK is the prime market for soft tops more are registered here than anywhere else in Europe. Last year in the 'H' sector which covers Coupes and Convertibles the UK registered 56,721 in the Italian market where the weather is considerably better than ours just 16,964. With so many convertibles, people who chose a convertible want to stand out and the bicolour option gives this level of choice it is priced at what the market will accept as a cost for that level of individuality.
It is standard within the industry that options provide the dealer and manufacture an opportunity to add value and be it a basic VW Fox to a Lamborghini Gallardo LP550-2 Valentino Balboni or Bently Azure T (from VAG) Fiat Panda to Ferrari 612 Scaglietti (from FGA) Mini One to Rolls Royce Phantom Drophead Coupe (from BMW) it is what happens. It is at the end of the day down to the basic economic theory of supply and demand that drives any price.
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« Reply #175 on: June 18, 2010, 05:39:48 PM » |
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Just to point something out about the Bicolour in the Italian market it is €1,700 more as you have to have the leather with the paint in the UK we are being offered it as a split option.
Sorry Delaney, You still have to have the leather in the U.K. to get the Bi-colour option. |
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« Reply #176 on: June 18, 2010, 05:57:30 PM » |
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Cheers John
So in fact the price of the paint although shown as a component price isn't really but the basis for the UK market price is as previously explained.
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« Reply #177 on: June 19, 2010, 09:57:36 AM » |
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There is not a chance I'll be buying one of these. Flappy paddles and girlie looks are not my thing. However, a very big "well done" to Abarth for their "marketing to women". Talk about ticking all the stereotypes? I mean, even rear parking sensors to deal with the lack of spacial awareness...I'm surprised there is not a pink option too. If they are marketing at women who want a car that is a little different and fun, they have missed the mark. If they want girlies however, they are missing the point. What girlie would even contemplate an Abarth and all that power when there is a great Fiat garage down the road with a yellow one outside.... |
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« Reply #178 on: June 19, 2010, 10:04:22 AM » |
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I'm still 50/50 i like it, i like the colour options, but i don't like this association with women! I really don't know why, if you see a Topless Lambo, Aston, Fezza you don't think girls car, and i don't think it when i see the A500C, maybe the F500C but not the Abarth! Oh and I'm really liking this colour combo, just screams retro hot rod to me, especially with those wheels!  |
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« Reply #179 on: June 24, 2010, 06:48:59 PM » |
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