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APE owners wanted!
« on: May 22, 2011, 05:31:05 PM »
Given that the APE has been around for a while, i would like to hear some feedback from owners that have owned theirs for a while and clocked some miles up! There aren't many "problem" related topics in the APE section so it appears the APE is proving to be quite reliable?

I would like you to post any problems you've had with the car, however minor, if it's meant a trip back to the dealer, then i would like to hear about it! If you're in dispute with a dealer over any problems or would prefer to keep your issues private, then PM me. Any views about the APE in general, how it drives etc are more than welcome too.

I'm still considering an APE, especially with the prices of the SS kit being released. But I just can't figure out why the poor sales figures and why the huge depreciation on some 2nd hand examples. Does put me off a little, but also attracts me as there are some bargains around! Of the 13 APE's for sale on Autotrader, only 1 has "delivery miles", the rest have 1000 to 8000 miles on.

Appreciate your feedback  :thumb:

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« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2011, 06:00:35 PM »
genuine mats dont fit.
but abarthisti ones do. ;D
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Re: APE owners wanted!
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2011, 08:25:05 PM »
Unfortunately I've not really had it long enough (2 months/3200 miles) to fully comment but I have some observations already.

Regarding the car not a lot of complaint really, it's pretty good, its comfortable on the bumpy A and B roads I travel, looks good inside and out, handles quite well though highspeed stability (>110mph) not as good as some cars I've had, probably just a geometry thing Fiat are notoriously bad at getting that right out of the factory, I've not took it to get checked as I'll be switching out the setup to something that's likely to ruin its currently decent comfort level for more of a trackday focus. :D

I ran the car stock at Cadwell park though and came away very happy with its ability in stock trim to be fair, body roll is minimal, nose dive underbraking almost non existent, bit of wobble from the rear I'm sure better dampers would tidy up, brakes were strong with no fade, I can see no reason for me to change them even when I up the power, had a similar setup on a few cars in the past and that size discs with those Brembos can cope.

Not had any real issues, gearbox was very ropey initially and have read a lot about issues with the Alfas running the same box but now I've done a few miles it seems slick, does make some noise between 1st/second, again not time to take it in for investigation, but the change is fine no notchiness, just noiser than i'd expect, it does concern me a little and might be one reason for me to go for the esseesse kit and leave it there whilst a bit more time passes and I can get a feel for whether there is a fault or early niggles, either way I'll want that warranty intact.

Regarding gearing, its a bit short geared, 1st three gears are a bit like a turbo diesel, its so short that the revs rise so fast, at first I thought it was an early rev limiter but actually it seems as though the rev counter is too damped and can't keep up with the engine  ::) I can see myself hankering after a final drive mod once I start to really up the power, looks like there might be options on that score.

Really impressed with the MA engine considering its capacity it's quite tractable even off boost, the fuel economy leaves a lot to be desired considering my old Alfa had worse figures at 32,42,53 vs 34.8,47.1,58.8, the Alfa would average 45 and I could granny it to 55-60mpg, the Abarth needs to be driven quite carefully just for 40mpg, so despite the diesel like gov figures it is both slower and less economical than my old diesel :( it is a bit more fun to throw around than the diesel though and barely scrubbed its tyres on the track where my diesel would have mullered a set, its still early days though, the Abarth has been steadily improving on the consumption front from the early 30s to early 40 its doing now, Economy really drops off a speed in some part due to gearing.

Poor sales are obvious, there is stiff competition in this sector, the Evo Abarth probably has the lowest power in its sector, the lowest performance stats on paper, plus some of the competition can be bought cheaper due to greater discounts available (Clio/Corsa are performance bargains), if you factor in the price of the essessee kit you are even nudging the discounted prices of motors in the next category.

Abarth have not done enough to nail any headlines really to justify its pricetag, the target market for this sort of motor is the younger driver, the ones most impressed by paper stats, Abarth have lost on this score.

Depreciation is what it is, first year drop is always a killer when your car is not the hot ticket fashion item that say the 500 is, end of the day despite a pretty decent facelift its still an old model, still its depreciation is likely to be no worse than others in this sector though but really if depreciation is a factor to you then perhaps an Italian motor is not for you, old biases are hard to shake, most people are still wary of Italian motors, drop like a stone after 3yrs. All that said if you look you'll find  similarly hit motors in this sector, even the benchmark Clio has the odd motor that has dropped 5k despite all the headline grabbing attention it gets.
« Last Edit: May 22, 2011, 08:28:30 PM by sandys »

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Re: APE owners wanted!
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2011, 08:35:17 PM »
Thanks for that Sandys, just the kind of thing I'm after, honest and fair  :thumb:

I was/am surprised at how cheap the ex-demo APE's are selling for, especially when compared to the handbag 500's.

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« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2011, 08:37:17 PM »
Im actually thinking about a ape too. so thanks df only thing i'd like to ask is optional extras can you say what you have and if it's usefull or not?

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Re: APE owners wanted!
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2011, 08:39:27 PM »
Thanks for that Sandys, just the kind of thing I'm after, honest and fair  :thumb:

I was/am surprised at how cheap the ex-demo APE's are selling for, especially when compared to the handbag 500's.

Have to agree, you get a lot of car for the money!
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Re: APE owners wanted!
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2011, 08:51:58 PM »
Gotta have the stripes, buying second hand I'd like to have the racing seats, whilst I don't think they are worth the dough, if someone else has paid for them or were going for half the price I'd have them,  from an interior styling perspective they look great, the number of people who have looked at mine with the stock seats and said 'wow look at those seats' makes me laugh because the sabelts are even better.

If you can find a cheap APE go for it, its good fun.

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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2011, 08:54:51 PM »
It's funny, it shows what a variety of taste there is on this forum, because i don't like the sabelts, not in the APE anyway. Plan was to buy one with them as they don't seem to add any value to a 2nd hand one, then put the originals back in and sell the sabelts.

Gearbox woes are a little concerning as i have had major gearbox issues on my A500, which is an Alfa box. I thought the APE gearbox was from a Vauxhall Astra?

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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2011, 09:21:01 PM »
A quick shakedown on my APE the Paul

Purchased 11/11/2010, mileage 7200. skydome and climate control

Warranty issues, None

Build quality, excellent, not one squeak or rattle to date.

Comfort excellent, alot more comfortable than 500.

Gearbox:- got a long throw. Sometimes doesnt want to go into first easily, but happens very occasionally, just a quirk. i actually like the gearbox.

Engine:- Multi air engine is superb, already has 1446 turbo, very responsive and bags of low down grunt. With TMC box it must be 200bhp easily.

Handling:- Handles well enough has a little body roll into corners, probaly will change suspension, to make it a lttle more sporty, just my preference. would be better with independant rear suspension and not torsion set up.

Fuel economy:- similar to 500

Onboard systems:- Blue & me seems to work better than 500, has cruise control but i never use it.
The evo tom tom is good, no wires plugs into dash.

Brakes:- Brembo's are superb, better than 500.

Would i buy another . yes

Fire some questions if you wish.

Hope this helps Paul.

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Re: APE owners wanted!
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2011, 09:32:02 PM »
Thanks Kevo  :thumb:

Will no doubt have some questions, can't think of any this instant.

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Re: APE owners wanted!
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2011, 09:38:07 PM »
The more important question you need answering.... will it stand up to being driving on the beach better?  :whistle:

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Re: APE owners wanted!
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2011, 09:40:39 PM »
Good point, the extra weight might make it sink! I don't go on the beach that often. On saying that, it was 60 MPH winds in Barmouth today and the beach had kind of "jumped" onto the road. All of it.

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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2011, 09:45:22 PM »
not photo genic 8)
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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2011, 09:57:16 PM »
not photo genic 8)
Have a look, EVO is on the right ;D
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« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2011, 10:02:30 PM »
whats that black bit stuck to bumper..
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engine done.TMC Conversion video
IS THAT IT NOW