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Hawk

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MAP sensors - help with part numbers
« on: July 19, 2011, 10:35:28 PM »

Hi

I am after help with correct MAP sensors info for my AGP SS.

The sensor on the inlet manifold, is this changed when SS kit is fitted?  The Bosch part number on mine is 0 281 002 437.  Is this correct and does anyone know the Fiat part number?

The sensor in the black 'air intake pipe', I'm sure this is changed when SS kit is fitted.  The Bosch part number on mine is 0 281 002 931.  I'm sure this is right for the SS but would be very grateful if anyone can confirm this.

Thanks in anticipation   :thumb:


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Re: MAP sensors - help with part numbers
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2011, 08:10:22 AM »
They are definitely changed with the SS kit, though can't remember the codes off hand.

Original are
0281002844
and
0261230042

They are used on lots of different cars (above are used on Vauxhall, SAAB, FIAT, ALFA, LANCIA, PORSCHE).


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Re: MAP sensors - help with part numbers
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2011, 12:40:41 AM »

Thanks for the info  :thumb:

When I got my bits back after 'SS'ing the only sensor I got back was the one still fitted in the black metal pipe which, as you correctly say, is 0281002844.  The new sensor in the new pipe is 0281002931.

The sensor in the inlet manifold is 0281002437, didn't get an old sensor back so it's either the original one or they changed it but didn't give me the old sensor back.

Really grateful if anyone with an AGP or AGPSS could have a look at their sensors numbers and let me know.

Reason I ask is I keep getting fault lights coming on and the fault code points back to the inlet manifold sensor.  Really want to find the correct sensor code as local dealer is having problems finding out what it should be.

Thanks all   :thumb:

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Re: MAP sensors - help with part numbers
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2011, 08:06:18 AM »
I'll have a look tonight.
I got 3 sensors back when I got the SS kit fitted

1 x 0261230042 (I think that one was in the metal intake tube).

2 x 0281002844

According to what I read on another FIAT Forum, the MAP sensors on GPs fail quite often.
« Last Edit: July 21, 2011, 08:08:39 AM by Old Boy »

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Re: MAP sensors - help with part numbers
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2011, 08:20:38 AM »
Checked this morning.

Black metal intake pipe (MAP):
GPA = 0281002844
GPAss = 0281002931

Inlet (3.0 bar TMAP):
GPA = 0261230042
GPAss = 0281002437

so you are correct and just didn't get the one they replaced.

Incidently is there a second sensor 0261230042 somewhere as I got 2 of these back in my box of bit when I upgraded?  Perhaps I got yours  ;D  
« Last Edit: July 22, 2011, 08:28:03 AM by Old Boy »

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Re: MAP sensors - help with part numbers
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2011, 12:30:57 AM »

Thanks for the info and taking the time to have a look, much appreciated  :thumb:

Managed to have a look at the official contents list for the SS kit.  It does not give full part details, all it states is that there are 2 pressure sensors supplied in the kit but does not give any part numbers.

Spoke to Fiat customer services, they haven't got a clue what the part numbers are and nobody got back to me.

Spoke to Abarth technician at a certain dealers yesterday, he absolutely assures me that the inlet manifold sensor is not changed when the SS kit is fitted, only the boost pressure sensor in the black inlet pipe is changed according to him.

Reassuring to know all these trained experts know their stuff.  Don't know why it's so hard to get an answer to what is a pretty basic question.

 Makes you laugh to think that they won't let Fiat garages do Abarth warranty work because they have not been 'specially trained'  :yawn:

Thanks again, at least you know your stuff  ;D

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Re: MAP sensors - help with part numbers
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2011, 04:54:04 PM »
I'm sure I got 3 sensors back after having the ss kit fitted  ???
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Re: MAP sensors - help with part numbers
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2011, 12:56:41 AM »
I'm sure I got 3 sensors back after having the ss kit fitted  ???

AAAAAAHHHHH   :hysteria:

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Re: MAP sensors - help with part numbers
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2011, 01:14:02 PM »
hmmm, I am now on my 3rd Manifold pressure sensore since fitting my TMC. Am guessing the standard ones fail when boost is increased??

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Re: MAP sensors - help with part numbers
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2011, 01:54:43 PM »
What boost are you running?

If 0.5bar then the sensor 0261230042 is fine as it reads 20-250kPa.

However if you're running 1.0bar then you'd need the sensor 0281002437 as it covers 20-300kPa.
These are T-MAP sensors (i.e. measure temperature and pressure in one sensor).

Sensors 0281002844 and 0281002931 are just MAP sensors (i.e. only measure pressure).

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Re: MAP sensors - help with part numbers
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2011, 01:23:17 AM »
What boost are you running?


I've got a seperate boost gauge straight off inlet manifold and i'm running a peak boost of 1.8 bar and a constant boost of 1.65 bar . . . . maybe that's what's killing my sensors   :oops:

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Re: MAP sensors - help with part numbers
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2011, 08:12:36 AM »
You definitely need to change the sensor then as you're taking the current one over it's design limits.

Shame you missed this one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-Bosch-3bar-TMAP-sensor-0281002437-/190555860702?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2c5e03aede as that's rather cheap.

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Re: MAP sensors - help with part numbers
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2011, 01:19:31 AM »
You definitely need to change the sensor then as you're taking the current one over it's design limits.

My current one IS a 0281002437  :-*

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Re: MAP sensors - help with part numbers
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2011, 10:07:51 AM »
What boost are you running?


I've got a seperate boost gauge straight off inlet manifold and i'm running a peak boost of 1.8 bar and a constant boost of 1.65 bar . . . . maybe that's what's killing my sensors   :oops:

I thought the boost was raised from 1.3 bar in the standard to 1.5 bar with the Garrett turbo (ss kit).  I'm surprised you're running 1.8 bar.
What bhp figure are you getting?  Mine is 179bhp

If 1.8 bar is correct then perhaps you should look at a different sensor or ask the technicians why you're getting so much boost.  Green text is the current SS sensor, blue is the next range up.


Bosch sensor info:
Applications
This sensor is used to measure the
absolute intake-manifold pressure. On the
version with integral temperature sensor,
the temperature of the drawn-in air flow is
also measured.
Design and function
The piezoresistive pressure-sensor element
and suitable electronic circuitry for signalamplification and temperature compensation are mounted on a silicon chip. The
measured pressure is applied from above
to the diaphragm’s active surface. A
reference vacuum is enclosed between the
rear side and the glass base. Thanks to a
special coating, both pressure sensor and
temperature sensor are insensitive to the
gases and liquids which are present in the
intake manifold.
Installation information
The sensor is designed for mounting on a
horizontal surface of the vehicle’s intake
manifold. The pressure fitting together with
the temperature sensor extend into the
manifold and are sealed-off to atmosphere
by O-rings. By correct mounting in the
vehicle (pressure-monitoring point on the
top at the intake manifold, pressure fitting
pointing downwards etc.) it is to be ensured that condensate does not collect in
the pressure cell.
P High accuracy.
P EMC protection better than
100 V m–1
.
P Temperature-compensated.
P Version with additional integral temperature sensor.
 
kPa (p1...p2)   
 
20...300  Integral temperature sensor  0 281 002 437
50...350  Integral temperature sensor  0 281 002 456
50...400  Integral temperature sensor  B 261 260 508 3

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Re: MAP sensors - help with part numbers
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2011, 12:41:55 AM »

Thanks for all the info, very useful and very kind of you   :thumb:

As the TMAP sensor 0281002437 is rated at 3bar I cannot see why running at 1.8bar would cause it any problems.

Info you requested:

Standard                                                        1.3 bar     159bhp     (15k miles)
Standard + TMC                                              1.5 bar      177bhp    (15k miles)
Esseesse                                                        1.5 bar      184 bhp   (39k miles)
Esseesse + TMC + G-Tech exhaust + intake mods  1.8 bar      226bhp    (50k miles)

All using either V Power  or  Momentum99