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danrae

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Re: Soft suspension worries?
« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2011, 10:18:56 PM »
hello
my car is now two old (20K miles) and i have the SS kit and i think mine is like this now, it feels wobby, and all over the place at speed it gets really bad
i have checked all over it, shock, springs, top mounts, tyres, bolts that hold the shock to the wishbone but only feels on the front

i can not find any thing wrong with it have you heard anymore matrix neil

mines is the same!
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Re: Soft suspension worries?
« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2011, 10:25:23 PM »
the only problem is its platts and you have been did you say, i was looking in to coilovers and strut brace lower and upper

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Re: Soft suspension worries?
« Reply #32 on: August 11, 2011, 10:47:32 PM »
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Re: Soft suspension worries?
« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2011, 07:49:25 AM »
Mine's going back to the dealer again for replacement shock top mounts (creaking again - 3rd replacement set).
Is there a FIAT solution to this as the current parts only last 1 year before creaking agin?

I'm asking them to look at the shocks as i suspect these standard shocks are just too weak to cope with the increased spring rates.  I've had the front drivers side replaced 3 times now as it's leaked.  They only replace if it visibly leaks.  If the shock internals have gone, but no leak, no replacement.

I don't know if anyone has had problems with bushes wearing causing wandering steering?  The electric assisted steering is imprecise especially around the straight on position, perhaps this is causing the wandering feeling?

There's a few other things that need fixing too, but they're not related to handling.

Will see what the outcome is.

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Re: Soft suspension worries?
« Reply #34 on: August 12, 2011, 04:44:17 PM »
i'm starting to think its the bushes, going have a look at weekend
yes it is more handling, its puts you on the end of your seat going around bends
i have had my top mounts changed the day i got my car 2yr ago

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Re: Soft suspension worries?
« Reply #35 on: August 23, 2011, 08:47:42 AM »
Seems it wasn't the shocktops creaking this time, but front ARB bushes.
Still getting suspension flutter over bumps and general unsettledness.

Couldn't get the other problems to manifest when the car was in the garage.  Sods law as soon as I got home, there they were again.  >:(

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Re: Soft suspension worries?
« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2011, 08:56:25 PM »
i know tell me i had a  water clip leaking off my turbo, when i take it in NO spraying on the engine, i had a look only thing i can see is the brushes with abit of wear, in the passages seat the foot rest there is a knocking feel on bumps and fast long bends

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Re: Soft suspension worries?
« Reply #37 on: August 24, 2011, 08:01:36 AM »
Just checked the work done schdule and it wasn't the ARB I was told when collecting, they replaced the steering arms which were worn.  No more wandering about and vague steering.... HURRAH.  :thumb:
It's been like that since new  >:( but now feels much more positive.

Only a few more things to fix, but it's starting to feel better than it ever has from new.

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Re: Soft suspension worries?
« Reply #38 on: December 01, 2011, 08:11:24 AM »
just to clear a few things up in this thread, regarding dampers

harder springs wont have any effect on the dampers failing or not, quite the opposite as the damper moves less under small bump so the seals do less work, also shorter springs will increase the stiffness of the damper as the piston on the end of the shaft is further in the body and less likely to flex.

what would cause the dampers to leak more is increased braking forces, possibly created by having a faster car and better brakes, meaning your likely to be going that little bit faster and stopping that little bit harder than before or on the non ss cars.

but i would be surprised if this wasn't a problem on the standard cars as well

and as for dampers getting softer, they will do naturally due to the way they work, dampers use a piston with shims stacked in pyramid shaped layout one set above and one set below the piston (see below image note, only one shim stack) then the ports in the piston mean the oil has to flow through the piston to allow the damper to move meaning it has to flex all those shims. Over time the shims will dish meaning they will open sooner as they are not held against the ports, if you drive hard or on ruff bumpy surfaces this would speed up the process.



the next problem is hysteresis as oil gets hot as you most know it gets thinner well in a damper it could well get up to 600c once its done this a few times the oil starts to stay in a thinner state meaning the piston (above) can flow the fluid easier meaning the shim stack has to flex less to move the same volume of oil.

all these things = softer dampers

we advise customers to service dampers every 2 races or road car dampers to service every year, and these dampers are about 2k each so buying expensive ones wont solve the above 2 problems


PS any one got a ss spring to borrow i can rate it at work so we will know the N rate and the ib rate

(ohlins silverstone damper technician)
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Re: Soft suspension worries?
« Reply #39 on: January 03, 2012, 03:53:33 PM »
ok its back in platts today,

they have found:
one of the rear bearing have failed
and the tracking is a mile off