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Tha_Ben

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The Internet
« on: June 20, 2011, 12:58:16 AM »
Wow, its really going crazy at the moment...

Hacking has always existed, its now getting so much more public.

Sega have admitted being hacked: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13829690

Mt.Gox bitcoin has been compromised causing the market to crash: https://support.mtgox.com/entries/20208066-huge-bitcoin-sell-off-due-to-a-compromised-account-rollback

Sony was hacked as we all know...

Lots of other sites that are known about have been hacked, what about the ones we don't know about... how screwed would most people be if say.. facebook accounts were compromised? Lots of personal information in facebook (fools)

Whats peoples thought on all this? Is it wrong were putting so much trust into these companies who fail so badly?

Should it be the ISP's/Government who start to look at security? should it be down to the sites/services?

Allot of things are now going 'cloud' based, good idea? bad idea?

BBC has an interesting article that the US is actually creating another 'internet' for research into cyber defence and cyber attacks... too little too late? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13807815
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Re: The Internet
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2011, 07:35:24 AM »
scary at the moment, they tried to hack Amazon which ofcourse you can imagine they details on credit cards and everyone.

not sure the Gov should handle security, afterall it has been know for them to leave their laptops on the buses  :whistle:
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Re: The Internet
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2011, 08:01:40 AM »
Of course in the good old days you gave someone your bank details every time you used a cheque and your credit card details on paper when they used the swipe machine - it was just more local  :)

Don't put anything on a website that you wouldn't yell across a crowded room/want your employer to read/be sold to mass advertisers, and don't put anything on the cloud you don't have backed up elsewhere and you'll be fine.

Oh and don't use a credit card that doesn't protect against fraud and most definitely don't use a debit card for your current account unless you can afford to have your salary and overdraft facility emptied and spend weeks trying to claim it back.

It's funny - the early Internet in the 90s was very much about privacy, but it got lost along the line.
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Re: The Internet
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2011, 12:07:18 PM »
There has indeed been a recent spate of well publicised successful attacks, but in reality this is like almost all other forms of crime, where the people who want to attack struggle to stay slightly ahead of those who need to defend. There are all sorts of sophisticated things that an aware ASP, ISP or website operator can and should do, but the criminal fraternity remains deeply ingenious in thinking of new ways to circumvent whatever is in place........

We keep hearing how the mobile device, which once upon a time was just a phone will become every more fundamental, as ot becomes our wallet, our authentication device, our diary, our address book etc............ so people are going to have to learn not ot lose them! 

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Re: The Internet
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2011, 12:32:43 PM »
Theres a group of hackers called lulzsek, and they hack websites just for the fun of it, to humiliate the people, they hacked this website as a challenge set by an internet security person, not entirely sure who he is, but he wanted someone to hack it to show their potential before giving the a job plus some decent cash... lulzsek hacked it extremely quickly and changed the page to humiliate the guy, and didnt claim the money... Picture shown is a print screen from the actual webpage, kind of scary that there are people out there like lulzsek who just go about messing stuff up for 'the fun of it'
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Re: The Internet
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2011, 05:46:32 PM »
There is a lot of talk at the moment about a so-called 'internet passport'...

Personally, I think im against this idea at the moment, The internet should always be about freedom of speech etc, That cant happen is identities can be traced more easily.

My personal thoughts on it is that while lulzsec/anonymous etc are going around hacking databases with SQL injections etc it is wrong, however it should be up to the companies hosting the data to secure your information, surely if the companies were up to date with the penetration testing this would happen less and less? Obviously 0 day vulnerabilities would be hard to catch still.

Sony for example did terribly, yes the system should not of been hacked. However, once the intruders got in, the databases were not encrypted/hashed at all... I don't know why people allow companies to operate in this way, encrypting/hashing a password table is basic stuff to be honest...

The other issue seems to be 'users'

The amount of times read now that one DB breach has given the attackers access into paypal/facebook/banking/email etc is crazy, people don't seem to realise that having 1 password for the whole 'internet' is such a bad idea. Providers can only do so much I guess...

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Re: The Internet
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2011, 06:55:50 PM »


Sony for example did terribly, yes the system should not of been hacked. However, once the intruders got in, the databases were not encrypted/hashed at all... I don't know why people allow companies to operate in this way, encrypting/hashing a password table is basic stuff to be honest...

That different to the reports I've seen thst said password were hashed and card details were on an encrypted drive.

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Re: The Internet
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2011, 07:13:54 PM »
card details were encrypted I believe (in the DB), passwords were not... (from what ive seen on the interwebs)
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« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2011, 11:47:17 AM »
like all utopian socities the internet is destined to slowly migrate from the vision imagined for it by early adherents into and exact reflection of the world as a whole.

Most new socities and revolutions in human history start with ideals and charismatic pioneers who shape them, but when the mass get hold of something they are always left like King canute trying to hold back the invevitable tide that dilutes things into blandness.

In the sixties Peace, Free-Love and Harmony soon mutated in to Sex, Drugs and Rock & Roll once the crimminals s started to get active within the scene.
It was the same with the rave 'E'ra, then soon you got the crimminals and big companies moving in.

Why should we kid oursleves that the internet will be any different?

Think about how 'underground' it now is when you now have revolutions and uprisings virtually sponsored and narrated by Facebook & Twitter (the new pepsi & coke US mega brands lapped up by the current generation of trainee global consumers).

Once all you needed to have a demo was megaphone but now you need an i-phone plus at least three massive amercian companies products to help you.......

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Re: The Internet
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2011, 10:14:50 PM »
Hackers work with security companies these days to make sure those threats are addressed.  Mostly it's due to people not having a clue of how to protect their own PC.  You get a stupid email from an unknown sender and click on the link?  What's wrong with people?  I am running virus protection including spam filters etc.  It picks up a lot.  The rest is up to you.  Don't click on stuff unless you are sure it's safe.  And don't ever respond to any mail telling you've won something.  I still think the internet is one of our greatest achievements.  Imagine,  millions of PCs connected worldwide.  It's awesome. If you have a clue about networking you know how cool it is.  What I did notice is that Internet security companies spread fear to sell their products.

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Re: The Internet
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2011, 10:56:28 PM »
Hackers work with security companies these days to make sure those threats are addressed.  Mostly it's due to people not having a clue of how to protect their own PC.  You get a stupid email from an unknown sender and click on the link?  What's wrong with people?  I am running virus protection including spam filters etc.  It picks up a lot.  The rest is up to you.  Don't click on stuff unless you are sure it's safe.  And don't ever respond to any mail telling you've won something.  I still think the internet is one of our greatest achievements.  Imagine,  millions of PCs connected worldwide.  It's awesome. If you have a clue about networking you know how cool it is.  What I did notice is that Internet security companies spread fear to sell their products.
Sound advice, unknown link = no clicky.  :-*

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Re: The Internet
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2011, 11:10:51 AM »
like all utopian socities the internet is destined to slowly migrate from the vision imagined for it by early adherents into and exact reflection of the world as a whole.

Most new socities and revolutions in human history start with ideals and charismatic pioneers who shape them, but when the mass get hold of something they are always left like King canute trying to hold back the invevitable tide that dilutes things into blandness.

In the sixties Peace, Free-Love and Harmony soon mutated in to Sex, Drugs and Rock & Roll once the crimminals s started to get active within the scene.
It was the same with the rave 'E'ra, then soon you got the crimminals and big companies moving in.

Why should we kid oursleves that the internet will be any different?

Think about how 'underground' it now is when you now have revolutions and uprisings virtually sponsored and narrated by Facebook & Twitter (the new pepsi & coke US mega brands lapped up by the current generation of trainee global consumers).

Once all you needed to have a demo was megaphone but now you need an i-phone plus at least three massive amercian companies products to help you.......

"This Anarchy has been brought to by......."   

I bet you did alot of drugs in the 60's  ;)
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Re: The Internet
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2011, 03:51:50 PM »

Sound advice, unknown link = no clicky.  :-*

I like to live on the edge, if I see a link I'll click the sh*t out of it and just hope I dont get a virus. Everytime I look myself in the computer screen reflection and ask "do you feel lucky punk?"
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Re: The Internet
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2011, 04:21:32 PM »

Sound advice, unknown link = no clicky.  :-*

I like to live on the edge, if I see a link I'll click the sh*t out of it and just hope I dont get a virus. Everytime I look myself in the computer screen reflection and ask "do you feel lucky punk?"

And you wern't even around in the 60's!

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Re: The Internet
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2011, 12:10:29 AM »

Sound advice, unknown link = no clicky.  :-*

I like to live on the edge, if I see a link I'll click the sh*t out of it and just hope I dont get a virus. Everytime I look myself in the computer screen reflection and ask "do you feel lucky punk?"

And you wern't even around in the 60's!

Doesnt mean I dont know good movies when I see them. The terminator films are great, alien is by far the best scary movie, and the godfather is the benchmark for crime movies, I'm a fan of the TV  :whistle:
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