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Offline TGF

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17x9 in the back
« on: May 15, 2015, 11:13:25 am »
I am looking for different wheels on my Abarth 500. I am very interested in the Traklite Clutch wheel in Copper Bronze, which is black and the spokes are well, Copper Bronze. To get the wide stance, I am thinking about putting 17x7.5 in the front and 17x9 in the back.

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How it looks:




Anyone here have experience with 9J wheels the rear of a 500? How much would it stick out the wheelarces? (ET25 but might need 5mm spacers to clear the suspension, info from the owner of the 500 in the pictures. But US Spec)
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    Re: 17x9 in the back
    « Reply #1 on: May 16, 2015, 11:34:05 am »
    Loving that fat look :thumb:

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    Re: 17x9 in the back
    « Reply #2 on: May 16, 2015, 05:55:38 pm »
    With wider rear tires the car will understeer
    If oem is 7 inch wide and et 38
    9 inch wide makes it stick out 2,54 cm more out
    Add 13 mm for the et change and then you get 3,84 cm
    That is the rimm

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    Re: 17x9 in the back
    « Reply #3 on: May 16, 2015, 06:14:35 pm »
    If you use the same tire width as oem the contact patch will only move outside for the ET value which is 13 mm
    This is theoretically. I have seen that the same tire looks wider on a wider rim.
    On the srt we have 305 tires front an rear because wider did not exist. Front rim is 22x10 inch rear 22x11,5 inch

    Rear tires really look wider

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    Re: 17x9 in the back
    « Reply #4 on: May 18, 2015, 10:14:43 am »
    willtheyfit .com tells me that 9J in the back will stick out 35.4mm and on the inside it will come 15,4mm closer to the suspension than the standard 17x7 wheel. Don't know how much room there is on the inside. (Thought the standard petals 17"were ET35)

    There is some room inside the wheelarch to accommodate the wider wheel, but was not really able to take exact measurements how much. This also depends on how low the car is and mine is still standard. Will do some lowering next year with coil-overs.

    Does anyone know if the plastic wheelcovers that are on the wheelarches and stick out, are available in a wider version? That just might be a thing to "hide" the wideness of the wheels.
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    Re: 17x9 in the back
    « Reply #5 on: May 18, 2015, 10:19:50 am »
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    Does anyone know if the plastic wheelcovers that are on the wheelarches and stick out, are available in a wider version?

    I have nor seen any from aftermarket parts companies, and to be honest, I don't think they will look very good. 


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    Re: 17x9 in the back
    « Reply #6 on: May 18, 2015, 01:02:58 pm »
    I went through the dutch law article concerning the wheels. I am allowed to have the wheel/tyre stick out 30mm of the wheelarch, but may not rub. There must be more than 10mm space within the wheelarch with the standard 17" to stay legal with this new wheel. I think there is more than 10mm space available in the wheelarch.

    With the ET dropping 10, I am widening the track with 20mm. If I place 5mm spacers, it would come to 30mm. Since the Abarth has a wheeltrack of 1400mm, with 2% extension, 1428mm is allowed by law. With the spacers, I would get 1430mm. 2mm's more than allowed. Really hope the wheels fit without the need of spacers. Haven't found 4mm spacers for the Abarth 500 yet.
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    Re: 17x9 in the back
    « Reply #7 on: May 18, 2015, 02:44:32 pm »
    Hmm...How wide tyres you are putting into back then?

    In my opinion original 7x17 is enough because you can fit even 235 wide tyres to them.
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    Re: 17x9 in the back
    « Reply #8 on: May 18, 2015, 04:45:16 pm »
    The tire fi 215 itself will not stick out more or less if you put it on17x7 ET 30 or the same tire on 17x9 ET 30. It is only the ET value that shifts your tire in or out. Mostly it is not the rim but the tire that rub. So in your case all depends on what tire you want to put on your 9 inch rim

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    Re: 17x9 in the back
    « Reply #9 on: May 18, 2015, 04:54:50 pm »
    Yeah...

    I see no point to put wider rim if you just want the tyre to stick out more from wheel arch.
    You can play with ET when you use 17x7 rims to have tire more to outside.
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    Re: 17x9 in the back
    « Reply #10 on: May 19, 2015, 08:24:05 am »
    Hmm...How wide tyres you are putting into back then?

    In my opinion original 7x17 is enough because you can fit even 235 wide tyres to them.

    The wider rim is not for mounting wider tyres. I want a deeper concave wheel on the back than the front. The tyres will still be 205-40-17 all around.  So the backtyre will be slightly stretched. I could go with the 9J on the front too, but I like the look when front and back are of different width and concave.
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    Re: 17x9 in the back
    « Reply #11 on: May 19, 2015, 01:53:24 pm »
    Yes is understand. Did the same on our jeep. But in this case the tire will only stick 15 mm more than OEM  since only the ET value changes the position of the tire contact patch and since you use the same tire the width of the contact patch stays identical.

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    Front 22x10 inch. Rear 22x11,5 inch. Tire overall 305 35 22

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    Re: 17x9 in the back
    « Reply #12 on: May 19, 2015, 02:32:49 pm »
    But you can have same solution with 17x7 rims with smaller ET than original?
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    Re: 17x9 in the back
    « Reply #13 on: May 19, 2015, 06:52:26 pm »
    Yes absolutely but with wider rims you can keep et standard