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Offline abarthpeak

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Abarth 500 135 W/tuning box vs 595
« on: August 05, 2020, 12:10:52 am »
Hello all,

Currently have a Abarth 500 135bhp, it has a Bluespark box on it, not entirely sure how much difference it makes. So I’m selling it at the moment to get something a bit quicker, I’ve been looking at a TTS, but I can’t help but consider a 595 180 Comp. The 500 has been fun and even the stock exhaust has been addictive but it’s just not quick enough.

I know the 180 comp will be more than just quick with better shocks etc, but has anyone owned a 135bhp 500 and moved to a 180 comp. Is the in gear performance really quite different.

Really can’t decide whether I’ll be let down by the acceleration difference. I think that’s the biggest thing, I just don’t feel the 135 with the Bluespark feels anything more than slightly nippy and so I’m trying to get something that gives you a little bit more of a rush.

Should I stick with the TTS route? Or would a 180 comp be recommended and what does a standard stage 1 map result in for the comp?

Thanks in advance.

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    Re: Abarth 500 135 W/tuning box vs 595
    « Reply #1 on: August 05, 2020, 10:25:49 am »
    Never owned a 135, had an early 160 Esseesse. The power delivery on that was fun, bit of turbo lag to start then push you back to the chair (great for annoying passengers) but faded towards the top end. What difference your Bluespark made, I can't say, never tried it. My 180 S3 Comp and S4 Esseesse are much more refined in the delivery, you still feel the turbo but it's smoother, you don't feel the same kick. It could be in part just because the ride is better with Koni dampers compared to the Esseesse which on my gen only had springs changed. That's also coming from the softer leather style Turismo seats to the Sabelts. The difference is noticeable to me.

    The exhaust note helps, it's just a bit of a shame the newest system seems to open valves based on speed (seen 58/60 km/h listed) rather than RPM. Not as good for winding roads but on the other hand I don't have to crawl underneath to deal with the valve. Then again some people wired the old ones open and there appears to be a really simple way for those wanting to do it on the new ones as well.

    I've had a 135/145 courtesy car and all have felt slower. Also had a normal 1.2 Fiat 500...that was.. shockingly different. Also given two MiTos. One was similar power/engine size to 160 Esseesse and if I did more driving I could have settled on it. The other got my hopes up with a Cloverleaf kit, turned out to be a 1.0L. accelerated quicker using cruise control buttons than the pedals.

    Best thing would be to take one out and try it but don't know how that works in current situation.

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    Re: Abarth 500 135 W/tuning box vs 595
    « Reply #2 on: August 05, 2020, 02:35:30 pm »
    Thanks so much for the feedback. Yes a couple of places I've called aren't keen on test drives with the situation which is understandable.

    It certainly sounds like there will be a difference in the 180 comp vs my 135 w/bluespark, but as you say, how much who knows. I guess it's one of those situations where when you are upgrading you want to feel like it is worth it.

    Very torn, the Abarth lover in me feels like a S3 Comp (seen a mint one in grey with the tan leather sabelts) would be a great car but similar to what I have, and the other part of me feels like grabbing a TT Quattro Mk2 and tuning or a TTS would put a bigger smile on my face with the pull.

    Who knows... any further input from others would be greatly appreciated.

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    Re: Abarth 500 135 W/tuning box vs 595
    « Reply #3 on: August 05, 2020, 08:13:54 pm »
    I suspect what ever you plump for, you will always feel the grass was greener on the other side.

    Well that sums me up :whistle:

    Buy both, one after the other :thumb:

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    Re: Abarth 500 135 W/tuning box vs 595
    « Reply #4 on: August 05, 2020, 11:33:08 pm »
    You are probably right, there certainly is a chance of that. Whilst I love the Abarth I’ve had moments where I have thought this is not as good in areas I thought it may have been, but then, some how I drive it around the Peak District and love it again. They are quite addictive and there is a chance I’ll find a TTS numb although a lot quicker in comparison.

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    Re: Abarth 500 135 W/tuning box vs 595
    « Reply #5 on: August 06, 2020, 09:18:14 am »
    Having just swapped from an RSQ3 330bhp to a 595c with 145bhp I can honestly this is the most fun I've had in a car since my Saxo days.

    Yes the Audi was an awful lot quicker and refined but the power was just wasted as you can't use it on our roads/traffic apart from a quick blast from the lights or up a slip road. The driving experience was numb as mentioned above, but still a lovely car.

    My advice is stick with the Abarth, you can use all the power most of the time and it puts a smile on your face.
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    Re: Abarth 500 135 W/tuning box vs 595
    « Reply #6 on: August 06, 2020, 10:07:54 am »
    I was going to say that about power as well. My dad used to have a basic 1l Uno. Brakes were so good he kept getting other cars checked because it seemed there was something wrong with them. Wasn't fast by any means but was just good fun to be in, like original Mini. Whenever the exhaust went he'd leave it a week or so because it sounded like a race car, like when James May list the exhaust on the Panda 4x4 on the grand tour. Being quicker doesn't make it necessarily more fun, it's how it does it

    If it was an original mk 1 TT, there'd be no competition, 595 hands down. Styling of first TT reminds me of an upside down bath tub with a windscreen.

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    Re: Abarth 500 135 W/tuning box vs 595
    « Reply #7 on: August 07, 2020, 12:20:54 am »
    It’s definitely interesting the feedback of various people. You are both right that it’s about how the car makes you feel.

    Need to get a test drive in a comp, a friend of mine did suggest I hang on to mine as it’s mint with only 15k on the clock, but  I’m not entirely sure how much can be gained from the 135 and bluespark changing it for a map and various other mods. I’d feel like I’d like be chucking money at it that I wouldn’t get back when I could just pick up a comp for a few k more. What’s crazy is that I feel like the standard 135 exhaust sounds great, I can’t imagine how good the monza sounds from what everyone says.

    As to the original mini, god I love the drive of them. They are a bloody fortune now for a mint cooper!

    On to the bathtub haha, it would be MK2 if the TTS.

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    Re: Abarth 500 135 W/tuning box vs 595
    « Reply #8 on: August 07, 2020, 10:06:47 am »
    Hi there,

    I know the dilema, its all down to what you want with your budget.

    Newer TT's are nice of course as are the Audi RS3's.

    But, have you considered making a few mods to your car and getting a remap done on it?

    You could get yours up to about the 170hp mark i believe and a good boost in torque as well. You would really love the difference in power then. Have a good think, if your car is mint, I'd say keep it and make a few mods, but if you have cash to spend and don't mind upgrading to a Comp or a TT, then do that instead. Break it all down, then make a decision, otherwise you may go crazy with indecision.

    Good luck, and let us all know how you get on.