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mitch_

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Re: Aftermarket Abarth 500 tuning - its already out there!
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2009, 06:36:56 pm »
Having spent several years in motorsport I always tend to think that power is over-rated. Having the real talent and ability to use it is more important. The brakes and suspension elements of the Esseesse kit are all part of making the power a useable commodity. The prime example for anyone who doesn't quite get what I mean needs to find somebody with a Mustang Shelby GT500 and ask them for a go. An extra 170Bhp into a suspension and chassis setup that was designed for 300Bhp just makes for hard work......

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    Re: Aftermarket Abarth 500 tuning - its already out there!
    « Reply #16 on: January 10, 2009, 06:46:49 pm »
    Saw this aftermarket exhaust mentioned on the GP Abarth forum:

    http://uk.

    Although I'm not sure it actually sounds as good as the original system?
    « Last Edit: January 10, 2009, 06:55:22 pm by JKDesign80 »

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    Re: Aftermarket Abarth 500 tuning - its already out there!
    « Reply #17 on: January 10, 2009, 06:54:38 pm »
    I wonder how much power the 500 chassis could actually cope with? I think 265hp as previously mentioned could turn it into a bit of a dog...

    The mini chassis is fantastic by all accounts but i'm sure there were some aftermarket kits that were released in competition with the works model, and they had 200+ horsepower and the chassis could just about cope.
    I agree with mitch, and if you stick so much horsepower in a car whose front wheels are trying to steer as well as put that power down then it's going to get messy...

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    Re: Aftermarket Abarth 500 tuning - its already out there!
    « Reply #18 on: January 10, 2009, 07:11:51 pm »
    You dont have to put 265bhp in it of course, thats only available because the MiTo uses the same engine.

    However I would have no qualms about 200bhp throught it, after all thats what they Assetto has.

    In reference to the insurance - thats no issue really, you just tell your ins. company its an Abarth with a tuning chip, same as any other chipped car.
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    Re: Aftermarket Abarth 500 tuning - its already out there!
    « Reply #19 on: January 10, 2009, 08:36:58 pm »
    The point I was making with the insurance is that they tend to look more favourably on a manufacturer upgraded car than on a 'boy-racer' upgrade.
    The Esseesse kit is a matched tuning kit where they have upgraded the brakes as well as the power. With a chip upgrade there is always the worry that the standard brakes are insufficient. After all the standard brakes were designed for the standard state of tune.

    Ask anyone who goes rallying and they will tell you that upgraded brakes will make you quicker than a moderate tune.

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    Re: Aftermarket Abarth 500 tuning - its already out there!
    « Reply #20 on: January 11, 2009, 01:17:34 am »
    You dont have to put 265bhp in it of course, thats only available because the MiTo uses the same engine.

    However I would have no qualms about 200bhp throught it, after all thats what they Assetto has.

    In reference to the insurance - thats no issue really, you just tell your ins. company its an Abarth with a tuning chip, same as any other chipped car.

    The Assetto Corse also has some fairly meaty suspension and braking modifications to the road car to allow it to apply that power too....

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    Re: Aftermarket Abarth 500 tuning - its already out there!
    « Reply #21 on: January 11, 2009, 01:38:24 am »
    personally id take bigger brakes than power any day of the week... 1 i know im going to stop and 2 unless your nailing it down roads that are very straight you will be quicker - if you got the technique anyway.

    i supose theres the other factor as well to consider - if you ever get rid of the car its going to be worth more as a standard SS or a standard A500 rather than an aftermarket tuner car...

    anyway... id much rather stick with abarth gear, i mean your talking about a car here that has 5 years warrantee, i wouldnt want to start messing with the ECU from day on whereas the SS kit is all covered under that warrantee... anything goes wrong it gets fixed... you change the ECU/put a bigger turbo in etc etc anything goes wrongand you foot the bill...

    thats just my oppinion anyway. i know the SS kits arnt cheap - agp or a500 but when you think theres 5 years warrantee on that it is worth the money
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    Re: Aftermarket Abarth 500 tuning - its already out there!
    « Reply #22 on: January 11, 2009, 08:00:23 am »
    There's no 5 year warranty on the SS kit. Two years from the date of installation  and then who knows what happens as result of the SS kit affecting any other part of the car.

    This is particularly true of the 'dealers warranty'. You have to pay for any investigation and this payment may be reimbursed by the insurance company. Insurance companies don't like paying unless you have a cast iron case.

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    Re: Aftermarket Abarth 500 tuning - its already out there!
    « Reply #23 on: January 11, 2009, 10:03:32 am »
    And the 500 doesnt come with a 5 yr warranty here in Holland.

    3 yrs only.

    I understand what you are all saying, but once you have driven one you will see that the chassis and brakes are easily capable of taking more power without upgrade.

    Its more the fact that Abarth say its 'all or nothing' which bugs me most.
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    Re: Aftermarket Abarth 500 tuning - its already out there!
    « Reply #24 on: January 11, 2009, 11:09:45 am »
    The point I was making with the insurance is that they tend to look more favourably on a manufacturer upgraded car than on a 'boy-racer' upgrade.
    The Esseesse kit is a matched tuning kit where they have upgraded the brakes as well as the power. With a chip upgrade there is always the worry that the standard brakes are insufficient. After all the standard brakes were designed for the standard state of tune.

    Ask anyone who goes rallying and they will tell you that upgraded brakes will make you quicker than a moderate tune.

    which is axactly why I got my GPA with the assetto kit

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    Re: Aftermarket Abarth 500 tuning - its already out there!
    « Reply #25 on: January 11, 2009, 12:16:32 pm »
    There are pros and cons for both sides of argument. At the end of the day its all to do with what you want you car to do. There is nothing wrong with the esseesse kit, but there is also nothing wrong with aftermarket. You dealers are not trying to push the esseesse kit are you?

    At the end of the day it is your car and you can do what you want! Paint it pink if you want! 

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    Re: Aftermarket Abarth 500 tuning - its already out there!
    « Reply #26 on: January 11, 2009, 12:18:08 pm »
    There are pros and cons for both sides of argument. At the end of the day its all to do with what you want you car to do. There is nothing wrong with the esseesse kit, but there is also nothing wrong with aftermarket. You dealers are not trying to push the esseesse kit are you?

    At the end of the day it is your car and you can do what you want! Paint it pink if you want! 

    They are not pushing it here in Holland, mainly because they cant get hold of it!
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    Re: Aftermarket Abarth 500 tuning - its already out there!
    « Reply #27 on: January 11, 2009, 12:49:40 pm »
    I still cant understand why you cant get the kit in Holland? To order an Esse Esse kit in the U.K. should take about 10 days. The last couple I've had have taken a bit longer but not that much.  Maybe its something to do with customs rules in Holland?
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    Re: Aftermarket Abarth 500 tuning - its already out there!
    « Reply #28 on: January 11, 2009, 12:53:19 pm »
    You dealers are not trying to push the esseesse kit are you?
    I don't think I've seen the dealers trying to push the kit.


    At the end of the day it is your car and you can do what you want! Paint it pink if you want!  
    Quite right. But I guess we are down to risk here?
    A fully guaranteed Esseesse kit, or an aftermarket upgrade that could cost you heavily in the long run.
    Come to think of it, it's the same with painting it pink - it won't do residuals much good!

    Personally, I have no problem with after market upgrades. I've had several car's chipped and otherwise upgraded. But only once the manufacturers warranty has run out. On a new car it's just too risky for me.

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    Re: Aftermarket Abarth 500 tuning - its already out there!
    « Reply #29 on: January 11, 2009, 12:58:35 pm »
    Having spent several years in motorsport I always tend to think that power is over-rated. Having the real talent and ability to use it is more important. The brakes and suspension elements of the Esseesse kit are all part of making the power a useable commodity. The prime example for anyone who doesn't quite get what I mean needs to find somebody with a Mustang Shelby GT500 and ask them for a go. An extra 170Bhp into a suspension and chassis setup that was designed for 300Bhp just makes for hard work......
    Good example Mitch, but with some serious chassis, brake and suspension mods to the Mustang from aftermarket suppliers makes it a good race car.

    The assetto 500 is a race car and has modified brakes and chassis mods in the name of a serious roll cage. It probably can take 265bhp but do you want to drive a race car on the road. it would probably get blown away by something with less power but more suited for the road.

    Until someone test drives an esseesse properly on the road you will not know if it worth it.

     

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