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Re: Aftermarket Abarth 500 tuning - its already out there!
« Reply #45 on: January 12, 2009, 06:32:21 am »
You dealers are not trying to push the esseesse kit are you?
I don't think I've seen the dealers trying to push the kit.


At the end of the day it is your car and you can do what you want! Paint it pink if you want!  
Quite right. But I guess we are down to risk here?
A fully guaranteed Esseesse kit, or an aftermarket upgrade that could cost you heavily in the long run.
Come to think of it, it's the same with painting it pink - it won't do residuals much good!

Personally, I have no problem with after market upgrades. I've had several car's chipped and otherwise upgraded. But only once the manufacturers warranty has run out. On a new car it's just too risky for me.

Question for John or any other dealer on this topic: What impact would an EsseEsse upgrade have on the resale value of the standard 500A (I would hope that it would be positive)? In the same way, what would be the impact on the residual value of chipping or installing one of the aftermarket kits?

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    Re: Aftermarket Abarth 500 tuning - its already out there!
    « Reply #46 on: January 12, 2009, 06:46:33 am »
    aftermarket tuning will only lower the value of the car in 90% of circumstances. this is actually a discussion about this on the FF about an Mjet at the minute. stuff like remaps on the Mjets/Tjets can be reverted, but i was under the inpression that the ECU on the abarth could only be maped once? - im sure the crazy kids out there will find a way around this i mean they did with the new nissan gtr the day after it came out and that was suposed to be "un brakeable" - if this is the case then maybe you could revert it back to standard for resale.

    the SS kit will add value as it is an offical kit for one and plus it actually gets added onto your (bugger whats that form called again - the document for your car)

    so i recon the resale value of the car will be higher than the standard abarth with the SS kit but not with after market tuning. ESPECIALLY if you start wacking horriable body kits on the poor car! - dont ever do that lol

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    Re: Aftermarket Abarth 500 tuning - its already out there!
    « Reply #47 on: January 12, 2009, 08:49:59 am »

    the SS kit will add value as it is an offical kit for one and plus it actually gets added onto your (bugger whats that form called again - the document for your car)

    so i recon the resale value of the car will be higher than the standard abarth with the SS kit but not with after market tuning. ESPECIALLY if you start wacking horriable body kits on the poor car! - dont ever do that lol

    John

    I would assume this would be the case due to the fitting restrictions.

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    Re: Aftermarket Abarth 500 tuning - its already out there!
    « Reply #48 on: January 12, 2009, 11:20:00 am »
    The residaul value of any Abarth with an Esse Esse kit will be higher because:
    1, the Log book will be changed to say so.
    2, People do not like the idea of people privately modding a car because they can never establish exactly what has been done and by whom. A bigger turbo could have been thrown on by your next door nieghbour as far as a prespective buyer is concerned.
    3, Warranty issues.
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    Re: Aftermarket Abarth 500 tuning - its already out there!
    « Reply #49 on: January 12, 2009, 11:29:59 am »
    Thanks for answering that Guys. I don't venture on to the FF as I'm only interested in the 500A.

    If you are correct, and logic would suggest you are, it makes the EsseEsse kit look like a huge bargain compared with aftermarket alternatives.

    It's a no brainer to me; £2,500 to add long term residual value or destroy value and limit the resale appeal by going aftermarket.
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    Re: Aftermarket Abarth 500 tuning - its already out there!
    « Reply #50 on: January 12, 2009, 11:31:54 am »
    And avoid many potential headaches.
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    Re: Aftermarket Abarth 500 tuning - its already out there!
    « Reply #51 on: January 12, 2009, 11:57:45 am »
    Thanks for answering that Guys. I don't venture on to the FF as I'm only interested in the 500A.

    If you are correct, and logic would suggest you are, it makes the EsseEsse kit look like a huge bargain compared with aftermarket alternatives.

    It's a no brainer to me; £2,500 to add long term residual value or destroy value and limit the resale appeal by going aftermarket.


    Its not quite as bad as that.  After 3 yrs ill be surpried if an SS Abarth fetches more than 1000 extra over a std one.  Stupid aftermarket kits will damage the value -  but sensible, removable and warrantied aftermarket upgrades will not adversely affect the cars value; you wont get your money back, but you dont destroy it either, especially if the product is from an established tuner -  look to Autodelta/Alfa and Roush/Ford as immediate good examples.
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    Re: Aftermarket Abarth 500 tuning - its already out there!
    « Reply #52 on: January 12, 2009, 12:04:10 pm »
    Agreed Euroboy,  but if you look at other bits that can be added to a straight Fiat 500 there is very little that will add value to the car when you change it.
    As a dealer I would add P/X value to very little apart from perhaps A/C on a Pop and Skydome on the rest. Upgrades and accessories only have personal value to the original owner. If the second owner gets them its just a bonus.
    If you add Esse Esse to your 500 then not only are you getting more than £2500 worth of enjoyment out of the car but getting a £1K back when you change it. Sounds good value to me.
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    Re: Aftermarket Abarth 500 tuning - its already out there!
    « Reply #53 on: January 12, 2009, 12:04:32 pm »
    Please find below (crudely copied and pasted from the email) a reply from Scorpion tuning with the prices and options for the Abarth.  The aftermarket turbo used seems to be from G-tech.  They are based in Italy but I think I am correct in saying they are active in Germany as well.  You can read and decipher yourself, but the highlight for me is the KIT RS:

    Remapped ECU on original turbo.  Modified exhaust, inlet and turbo piping and airbox.  Makes 190 horsepower, TUV approved for circa 1700EUR.

    Also worthy of note:

    1)The cheaper ECU remap only comes with an engine guarantee if you pay 100 EUR extra.
    2)The super powerful kits also come with uprated engine internals to handle the power.

    It seems these guys know what they are doing.


    Base 1.4l T- jet Turbo 99 KW/ 135 CV
    Kit GP/R
    Turbina maggiorata su cuscinetti con geometria grande, pistoni stampati, molle valvole rinforzate,  lavorazione testata, intercooler modificato, Airbox, impianto di scarico G-Tech completo di downpipe, catalizzatore sportivo 200 celle, tubo centrale diam. 70mm e terminale rotondo 2x80mm omologato, elettronica modificata, frizione rinforzata.
                       
    Potenza ca.    265 CV (195KW) a 5620 g/min
    348 Nm a 4200 g/min                          

    Nr. articolo: D009000007/O                                                                         €    5.800,00-- A            
    Montaggio incl.rullata sul banco prova                         â‚¬       900,00--
    Montaggio solo in G-TECH. Senza omologazione TÃœV!!
    Kit RSR
    Turbina maggiorata su cuscinetti con geometria piccola, molle valvole rinforzate, Airbox, elettronica modificata, impianto di scarico G-Tech completo di tubo centrale diam. 70mm e terminale rotondo 2x80mm omologato.
                       
    Potenza ca.    220 CV (162KW) a 6250 g/min
    320 Nm a 3950 g/min                          

    Nr. articolo: D009000008/O                                                               €   3.277,00-- A
    Montaggio incl. Rullata sul banco prova                          €     650,00—
    Montaggio solo in G-TECH. Senza omologazione TÃœV
    Kit RS  
    G-TECH elettronica modificata specifica, turbina originale modificata lato aspirazione, Airbox, impianto di scarico G-Tech completo di tubo centrale diam. 70mm e terminale rotondo 2x80mm omologato.                

    Potenza ca.    190 CV (140 KW) a 5240 g/min
          295 Nm a 3040 g/min                                                                                                                                    

    Nr. articolo: D009000009/O                                                                        €    1.679,00-- A
                
    Montaggio incl. Rullata sul banco prova                       â‚¬      250,00--
    Montaggio solo in G-TECH. Senza omologazione TÃœV
    Kit S  
    G-TECH Elettronica motore specifica                

    Potenza ca.    163 PS (120 KW) a 4900 g/min
          285 Nm a 3700 g/min                                                                                                                                    

    Nr. articolo: D002000018/O senza garanzia motore                                                          â‚¬     499,00-- B
          D002000018/M con garanzia motore                                      €     599,00-- B
    Montaggio incl. Rullata sul banco prova                         â‚¬     125,00--

    Il kit S puó essere fornito come modulo aggiuntivo oppure come rimappatura della centralina.


    Filtro aria sportivo a pannello                        â‚¬     76,00.-   F
    Airbox G-Tech                               â‚¬   199,00.-   D
    Filtro per Pop-off originale aperta                     â‚¬     27,00.-   F
    Tappo in alluminio per chiusura ricircolo Pop-off                  â‚¬     20,00.-   C
             
    Valvola Wastegate rinforzata                          â‚¬     210,00.-  A



    SCARICO                                                                                                                       .

    Impianto di scarico sportivo „Gruppo A“, omologato CEE, in acciaio INOX,
    tubi passanti maggiorati da 70mm, completo di tubo centrale e terminale
    con uscita rotonda 100mm. Silenziatore a valvole interne per regolazione
    della intensitá del sound!                        â‚¬   I.P.

    Terminale di scarico, omologato CEE, in acciaio INOX,
    con uscita rotonda 100mm. Silenziatore a valvole interne per regolazione
    della intensitá del sound!                        â‚¬   i.p.

    ASSETTO                                                                                                                        .

    Assetto a ghiera HIGH QUALITY -65mm/regolabile anche in taratura dall´esterno   â‚¬ 1060,00.- C
    Assetto a ghiera HIGH QUALITY -65mm                  â‚¬   910,00.- C
    Serie ammortizzatori sportivi a stelo corto a taratura fissa            â‚¬   320,00.- E
    Serie ammortizzatori sportivi a stelo corto regolabili in taratura            â‚¬   410,00.- E
    Serie ammortizzatori sportivi a stelo corto regolabili in taratura dall´esterno      â‚¬   500,00.- E
    Serie molle progressive -20mm                                   €  166,00.-   F
    Serie distanziali ALU 16mm completo di bulloni                             €   66,00.-    F

    CAMBIO                                                                                                                          .

    Gruppo frizione/spingidisco rinforzato                   â‚¬ i.p.

    5a marcia lunga                           â‚¬ 299,00  B
    Short Shifter -25% , accorciamento escursione leva cambio         â‚¬ i.p.

    Modifica cambio a 6 marce                        â‚¬ i.p.

    ESTETICA                                                                                                                      .

    Kit Bi-Xenon H4 6000°K                        â‚¬ 258,00.-   D

    Fanaleria anteriore Angel Eyes manuale                  â‚¬ 264,00.-   B
    Fanaleria anteriore Angel Eyes elettrici                     â‚¬ 350,00.-   B

    CERCHI                                                                                                                        .

    MOMO Thunder 7,0 x17 ET 35                     â‚¬ 210,00.-  G
    MOMO Thunder 7,5 x 18 ET 35                     â‚¬ 260,00.-  G

    Cerchio OZ Superturismo WRC bianco 7x17 ET 35            â‚¬ 253,00.-   H
    Cerchio OZ Superturismo WRC bianco 7x18 ET 35                â‚¬ 353,00.-   H
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    G-tech full exhaust sytem.

    172bhp & 285Nm @4850rpm.

    Now sold - doh!

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    Re: Aftermarket Abarth 500 tuning - its already out there!
    « Reply #54 on: January 12, 2009, 05:03:06 pm »
    Thanks for answering that Guys. I don't venture on to the FF as I'm only interested in the 500A.

    If you are correct, and logic would suggest you are, it makes the EsseEsse kit look like a huge bargain compared with aftermarket alternatives.

    It's a no brainer to me; £2,500 to add long term residual value or destroy value and limit the resale appeal by going aftermarket.


    Its not quite as bad as that.  After 3 yrs ill be surpried if an SS Abarth fetches more than 1000 extra over a std one.  Stupid aftermarket kits will damage the value -  but sensible, removable and warrantied aftermarket upgrades will not adversely affect the cars value; you wont get your money back, but you dont destroy it either, especially if the product is from an established tuner -  look to Autodelta/Alfa and Roush/Ford as immediate good examples.


    I agree euroboy,

    I am not buying this car because of what it might be worth in 3 years time. If its as good as the tests and euroboy says, I will be keeping mine for at least 7 years.

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    Re: Aftermarket Abarth 500 tuning - its already out there!
    « Reply #55 on: January 12, 2009, 07:55:14 pm »
    let be honest if you bought a car for resale value.... well you wouldnt buy a car would you!

    anyway i reccon the SS would be more valuable there is the money issue and there also the fact that it will be rarer!
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    « Reply #56 on: January 12, 2009, 08:27:34 pm »
    let be honest if you bought a car for resale value.... well you wouldnt buy a car would you!

    It's easily said now and harder to swallow when you do all of a sudden want to sell it. There is no answer to this thread as those who wish to mod their cars will do so and those who enjoy the security of manufacturer approved systems will opt for the Esseesse kit. I've been in this job for a long time and given some of the other cars we sell I'm very used to doing custom jobs for clients. I've never seen any aftermarket product that is as reliable as anything the manufacturer produces. Even outfits like Roush when talking about Ford Mustangs have little sway with me. Their development budget pales into what Ford spend so you'll never get anything engineered in the same manner.

    If you look at things from the resale perspective the Esseesse kit is the only option as it will retain more value, but self-modded cars are saleable to a much smaller audience. As a result the self-modded cars are worth even less (in most cases) than un-modified cars so the gap broadens. Ultimately it's your car so you should just do what ever makes you happy with it. As a dealer I'm only here to help and give guidance, the rest is up to you!

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    Re: Aftermarket Abarth 500 tuning - its already out there!
    « Reply #57 on: January 13, 2009, 02:01:41 am »
    My question is; why are some refering to the EsseEsse upgrade as too expensive? When looked at in the context of total cost of ownership, it looks excellent value to me.

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    Re: Aftermarket Abarth 500 tuning - its already out there!
    « Reply #58 on: January 17, 2009, 08:19:48 pm »
    i think it is a little espensive along with the AGP's SS kit BUT that warrantee that you get will be bloody good value for money if you turbo goes pop a year and a half down the line.... and if you read the fiat forum the turbo going isnt that uncommon....

    however lets be honest if we want to tune our cars with aftermarket gear we are just going to do it...  wether we have warrantee or not... i mean i lowered my mjet whilst in warrantee so... BUT i think it is worth baring in mind that the warrantee could be worth a LOT at some stange... i know its a differnt car but when i had my skoda fabia and 2nd and 3rd gear decided to stop working that cost skoda 650 quid to fix ... i wouldnt have been able to afford that at the time so... warrantee really is a good thing ;)

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