Quote from: AlexK on May 15, 2009, 10:58:39 am

Blueey,  I believe Hozepipe's idea is that Jimbro drives against the clock, not another driver.  Compare lap times.

That's no good, it will not prove the point that a good driver can make up the difference between the two cars. Doing it with the same driver will only show the obvious.

The whole point of choosing The Stig is, not being human, he takes the human element out of the comparison. What people want to know is whether the £2,500 represents good value.

I think everyone is aware of what good race car drivers are capable of.

BTW, what is the obvious and how much is it worth?

Quote from: AlexK on May 15, 2009, 09:53:41 pm

I've no idea what you're talking about, Blueey.  Hozepipe wants to see the difference between NP and SS.  Not different drivers.

I thought he was trying to find out if the SS conversion is worth having. As there is some debate as to the the conversions worth, and some like me think a good driver could claw back the small increase in performance the SS has, a track test as I suggested would answer the question once and for all.

Maybe you could race Jimbro1000 (in my SS) round the track in your chipped NP.

Quote from: Blueey on May 15, 2009, 10:00:48 pm

Quote from: AlexK on May 15, 2009, 09:53:41 pm

I've no idea what you're talking about, Blueey.  Hozepipe wants to see the difference between NP and SS.  Not different drivers.

I thought he was trying to find out if the SS conversion is worth having. As there is some debate as to the the conversions worth, and some like me think a good driver could claw back the small increase in performance the SS has, a track test as I suggested would answer the question once and for all.

Maybe you could race Jimbro1000 (in my SS) round the track in your chipped NP.

A standard car has to be used to prove the point.

what i meant is the difference between the np and the ss is half a second 0-60 and £2500  which a good driver could easily make up if driving a np against a normal driver in a ss.

let me just throw this in

The ss drivers are a bit defensive of their kit, rightly so,I have 9 months to decide if i ss or not, however if a track day ever comes up i wouldnt be surprised if some ss drivers get there bottoms smacked from remapped cars for a quarter of the ss money

Ok it may void their warranty if they chose to declare it but I m still open to suggestions on remapping

let me just throw this in

The ss drivers are a bit defensive of their kit, rightly so,I have 9 months to decide if i ss or not, however if a track day ever comes up i wouldnt be surprised if some ss drivers get there bottoms smacked from remapped cars for a quarter of the ss money

Ok it may void their warranty if they chose to declare it but I m still open to suggestions on remapping

I am on the same wave length as you on this subject, but Hozepipe does have a point as regard the resale of the car and the standard parts.
And if I am honest if I was looking for a used Abarth 500 I think I would search out an SS, so I ask myself how many others would do the same?
But, and there is always a but, he still paid 1100:00 which is still far more costly than a remap, and there will always be someone looking for the standard car.
Ain't this a confusing subject?

I really think we should add a remapped car into this if possible... I think a lot of guys would be interested is the
lap time /££££ ratio