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Offline Hozepipe

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Ending the Debate
« on: May 15, 2009, 09:01:46 am »
In order to put the multi-threaded question of - whether to SS or not - to bed with some empirical evidence, I'd like to set up a 'Top Gear' challenge.

Jimbro1000 is the closest thing we have to The Stig (he may well be him/it), so I would like to offer the use of my A500SS for a few laps the next time he takes his NP A500 to the track.

I'll be as flexible as possible with logistics etc as I'd be interested to see the true difference the SS kit makes - all other things being equal.

Are you up for it Jimbro1000?

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    Offline scuderia sitar

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    Re: Ending the Debate
    « Reply #1 on: May 15, 2009, 10:20:37 am »
    Nice one Hozepipe.  I'd love to see that difference.  Which track does Jimbro1000 use?
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    Re: Ending the Debate
    « Reply #2 on: May 15, 2009, 10:53:03 am »
    Interesting! If Jimbro1000 is as good as you are stating and he is driving the SS you will need an "as good" driver to drive the standard car, or as I stated "a good driver of the standard will make the difference up over the SS"
    If you cant find like for like you should put Jimbro in the standard car with the less inexperienced driver driver the SS, then you will see that my comment is either true or false.

    The challenge is on.

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    Re: Ending the Debate
    « Reply #3 on: May 15, 2009, 10:54:17 am »
    Good idea; although having analysed both I know which I'd rather have. :thumb:

    BTW, sorry to burst your bubble but the Stig has already been outed as Ben Collins!:-
    "Collins began his motorsport career in 1994 and has raced at Le Mans and in Formula Three.

    He worked as a stunt driver on the latest James Bond film, Quantum Of Solace, and has also appeared on Top Gear as himself."
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    Re: Ending the Debate
    « Reply #4 on: May 15, 2009, 10:55:07 am »
    Old Stig has returned from the depths though

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    Re: Ending the Debate
    « Reply #5 on: May 15, 2009, 10:56:47 am »
    Old Stig has returned from the depths though
    So we are led to believe; he'd better be covered in sea weed from his aircraft carrier dunking or I'm a non-believer! ;D
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    Re: Ending the Debate
    « Reply #6 on: May 15, 2009, 10:58:39 am »
    Blueey,  I believe Hozepipe's idea is that Jimbro drives against the clock, not another driver.  Compare lap times.

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    Re: Ending the Debate
    « Reply #7 on: May 15, 2009, 11:14:07 am »
    Is Jimbro as good as he/you say he is, last I recall he was moaning about the cars grip etc. when he took it on the track with low tyre pressures and road tyres with full meat on them and wondered why the car went mushy  ::)

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    Re: Ending the Debate
    « Reply #8 on: May 15, 2009, 01:42:01 pm »
    Blueey,  I believe Hozepipe's idea is that Jimbro drives against the clock, not another driver.  Compare lap times.

    Perhaps a side by side, driving at 40 and then foot down test (in other words in-gear acceleration). Don't need hard and fast timings just "a cars length when we hit 60" type stats.
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    Re: Ending the Debate
    « Reply #9 on: May 15, 2009, 06:33:50 pm »
    Blueey,  I believe Hozepipe's idea is that Jimbro drives against the clock, not another driver.  Compare lap times.

    You are correct sir, I want some hard empirical data.The side by side 40-60 leaves too much variation for my liking.

    Rich, how are you so sure that Jimbro1000 isn't a nom d'plume for Ben Collins? :o
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    Re: Ending the Debate
    « Reply #10 on: May 15, 2009, 06:54:20 pm »
    As we have said before, its not just about the acceleration. The car needs to go around a track to show the value for money that the kit provides or else the "re-map" brigade will just start up about buying a resistor of e-bay for £2.50 and that will do the job  :banghead:
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    Re: Ending the Debate
    « Reply #11 on: May 15, 2009, 08:04:46 pm »
    As we have said before, its not just about the acceleration. The car needs to go around a track to show the value for money that the kit provides or else the "re-map" brigade will just start up about buying a resistor of e-bay for £2.50 and that will do the job  :banghead:

     ;D I just want to explore my avenues before I commit and this seems like a good way to do it... I know the purists (myself included) like the ss kit for its "fit for porpose" design, but it would be naive of me not to look at all possibilities before parting with 2500... whats the bhp increase for the ebay resistor by the way sounds a bargain :wave:


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    Re: Ending the Debate
    « Reply #12 on: May 15, 2009, 09:34:20 pm »
    Blueey,  I believe Hozepipe's idea is that Jimbro drives against the clock, not another driver.  Compare lap times.

    That's no good, it will not prove the point that a good driver can make up the difference between the two cars. Doing it with the same driver will only show the obvious.
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    Re: Ending the Debate
    « Reply #13 on: May 15, 2009, 09:53:41 pm »
    I've no idea what you're talking about, Blueey.  Hozepipe wants to see the difference between NP and SS.  Not different drivers.

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    Re: Ending the Debate
    « Reply #14 on: May 15, 2009, 10:00:48 pm »
    I've no idea what you're talking about, Blueey.  Hozepipe wants to see the difference between NP and SS.  Not different drivers.

    I thought he was trying to find out if the SS conversion is worth having. As there is some debate as to the the conversions worth, and some like me think a good driver could claw back the small increase in performance the SS has, a track test as I suggested would answer the question once and for all.
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