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Title: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: sac841 on April 07, 2015, 07:46:54 pm
IMPORTANT NOTICE

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This post has been edited after consultation with forum admin and Abarth UK in order to make sure that owners do not cause any damage to their cars.

Admin have asked me to make it clear that:

1.   I am using non OEM Abarth purchased or recommended equipment that I have sourced myself.
2.   Positive engagement MUST be made with the sill area and the slot on the Fiat OEM jack, as the actual jacking point is inboard of the arrows. This is to avoid any damage to your car.

Abarth do not recommend owners jack the car themselves so as to avoid getting it wrong as outlined above. That is why the owners manual asks you to ‘refer to dealer.’

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After spending some time being recovered at the roadside because a flint had punctured my tyre and goo wouldn't fix and go.......I started to research carrying a spare wheel in my 595.

There have been other threads but here is my personal complete solution to carrying a space saver spare wheel in your 500/595 to get you moving again. Abarth obviously (in my opinion) decided not to use the space saver option as it WILL NOT fit on the front due to the size of the brakes. So as a manufacturer you could not let people loose with a wheel that would only go on the back. Obviously discerning owners (that's why you are here yes?) can think for themselves and make sound personal decisions.

So search on eBay and locate a Fiat space saver 135/80/14 wheel/tyre and the insert with jack/wheelbrace etc. Do not search for 'Fiat 500 spare wheel' as there is a price premium on them! Just search under Fiat as the OEM jack kit for the Punto/Grande Punto does the trick. I found mine as separate items but this solution has cost me only £45. The wheel fits inside the Abarth spare wheel well perfectly after removing the polystyrene insert.

I can hear some of you saying 'but the jack doesn't work on our cars due to the skirts' - wrong, it works perfectly and almost fully collapsed it slides under just fine. Make sure you get the Fiat tool kit with the 17mm wheelbrace, some can be 19mm.  The towing eye will be too short in the Punto kit, you need to use the one supplied with your Abarth. I have tried both to check, see photo.

The jack works perfectly and if you look at the skirt you will see arrows on them front and rear where you can locate the jack. Please make sure the jack is positively located on the sill in the slot and not on the skirt.  I hear you saying 'but that jack will damage the body' - no it doesn't as it is designed to lift the car on the sill area in the strongest location and does so on many other ordinary 500's.  This kit is OEM supplied by Fiat on those cars.  There is no damage to either front or rear, I have personally tested it extensively on my 595, damage is often caused by incorrect jacking in tyre bays etc.  If you prefer you can lift on the front body mount adjacent to the sill - there was a post from the mechanic at Vospers (Chunkymonkey) a while ago with photos. This is where the 500 is attached to the production line and it carries the weight of the car during the build process.  You cannot get to the rear one due to an undershield.  If you lift here use my top jacking tip.....an ice hockey puck. They are nearly solid vulcanised rubber and make a brilliant softer jacking point, just search on Amazon or eBay and they are only few pounds. Photo below in use on the front body mount. This is the front jacking point often used in workshops and the one I use at home but with a FLAT rubber jack pad on my low entry trolley jack.

So the front tyre is flat and the space saver wheel will not fit the front, no problem, fit the space saver wheel to the rear, move the good wheel to the front.....get home! In fact as you will see in one of my pictures if you jack on the front jacking point/body mount it lifts the whole side of the car so the wheel swap is easy....and so much better than a few hours at the roadside.....waiting....!

Personally I carry Tyreweld as if you get a small nail etc. it should work well for that, anything bigger forget it! The fix and go stays in the garage as my tyre bay are happy to wash out Tyreweld but not the Fiat fix and go.

I have attached several photos of the solution including my padded pocket for the towing eye to stop it making a noise in the kit. I hope this helps someone else and saves you spending time at a grim rainy roadside when all you wanted to do was just get home those few miles!

And finally….I must point out that you do any of the above as your own personal choice.

Shaun

Now a happier 595 Competizione owner!



Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: PORTHOS on April 07, 2015, 09:35:11 pm
Thanks Shaun  :thumb:
Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: bl4desman on June 22, 2015, 11:53:14 pm
Good write up :)  I looked for help online a few months ago but found little information, so I made my own kit up.  I did something similar but I used a Fiat Marea spare wheel with a 125/80/15 tyre.  I have a 5mm spacer from a Alfa 145 QV.  It fits in the wheel well, is very close in rolling radius to the original and clears the front caliper ok.  I used an Alfa 145 jack and a Ebay extendable wheel brace.  However, there are many Fiat group wheels and tooling that will do the job :)
Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: CSBenno on August 10, 2015, 02:53:02 pm
Best, thorough post ever! Bob on.

Thanks
Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: Brian1612 on August 10, 2015, 04:35:42 pm
Excellent write up! Wouldn't do this myself purely due to the added weight ;) But an excellent solution for many I imagine!
Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: Fish on August 10, 2015, 06:39:39 pm
Wouldn't be without mine.  :thumb:

Fish
Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: jewelsnjae on August 10, 2015, 07:18:41 pm
looking into doing this as hope to go touring italy soon and will need a spare without a doubt looks an excellent fix to me great writ up and very helpful pictures. :thumb:
Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: CSBenno on August 11, 2015, 10:57:52 am
After spending 2.5hrs waiting for breakdown service because I had a puncture that the 'Fix & Go' couldn't repair,  I followed the above. Got a space saver & original Fiat scissor jack from local scrap merchant (all unused) for £30. And "dah,  dahhh... ",  on the Esseesse it goes... Better than waiting for a lift and at least I can take the car to the tyre shop now.

Arguments against a space saver are pretty lame if you consider the time and safety issues when a puncture occurs on a motorway or main A road.  Afterall,  you just want to get to where you are going.

Ps.  Extra weight is extremely negligible and don't forget,  it's centrally biased so might actually be helpful.
Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: GTMartin on August 11, 2015, 11:38:47 am
Quote
Arguments against a space saver are pretty lame if you consider the time and safety issues when a puncture occurs on a motorway or main A road.  After all,  you just want to get to where you are going.


There are many motorists that would not know one end of a tyre lever from the other, never mind finding a jacking point :whistle:
Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: CSBenno on August 11, 2015, 11:51:22 am
Funny  :D

Jacking points are indicated by arrows, so only if you are visually impaired would you miss them.

What I can now do is get on with a journey if a puncture happens without relying on breakdown service or the really pointless Fix &  Go.  Just for info: many breakdown / recovery services have written to car manufacturers suggesting fix &  go kits are dangerous & pointless.

Get a space saver and be self sufficient.  Simple!

 :angel: :thumb:
Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: AdamAbarth on August 11, 2015, 12:06:00 pm
Just wanted to check. My car has Eibach Pro's and sits 30mm lower (20mm as Abarth is already 10mm lower than Fiat 500). Can I assume that the jack will still get the relevant clearance? Sorry if I am being thick  :whistle:

Great post by the way!
Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: Fish on August 11, 2015, 12:48:17 pm
Adam, yes the jack won't have any issue's with your springs.

Fish
Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: CSBenno on August 11, 2015, 01:12:35 pm
I have the Esseesse,  which has v low springs (hard too = bumpy) and the scissor jack fully compressed gets under -  just. 

Easy.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: AdamAbarth on August 11, 2015, 01:13:46 pm
Thanks Buddy  :thumb:
Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: CSBenno on August 11, 2015, 01:58:23 pm
A few images showing the Esseesse with jack and space saver.

Remember - space saver will only fit rear due to size of front calipers. Still, would take far less time changing front with rear and then space saver on rear than waiting for breakdown service.
 
Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: CSBenno on August 11, 2015, 02:01:22 pm
Another 2
Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: Longbow on October 14, 2015, 01:23:14 pm
And another, thanks for posting this, made me a bit more at ease knowing Angie has a proper wheel in the boot rather than a can of slime  :whistle:
I've also now got 2 screwdrivers for taking the nut covers off, with heat shrink tubing on the shaft to stop it marring the alloy and the longer towing eye

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(http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv93/Saddletramp_bucket/DSC06410_zpswp1kgqro.jpg) (http://s673.photobucket.com/user/Saddletramp_bucket/media/DSC06410_zpswp1kgqro.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: heliharris on February 11, 2016, 12:18:56 pm
If your looking for a nice well made jack which just clears the side skirts on the Abarth 500 595 Competizione.. so i assume it will clear the rest of the range.... i have just purchased one of these :-

http://r.ebay.com/zVUPLI

He has another listed...they are brand new...and comes in a very smart convenient bag. free delivery... arrived 2days after purchase.

Mick.
Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: needsmust on February 13, 2016, 09:02:53 am
I've previously been ambivalent about this but at my last puncture the RAC man wouldn't recover me the 60 miles or so back home. I got taken to a tyre place where I had to wait ages to have a budget tyre fitted that I didn't want.

I could have pursued this solution for less money.
Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: Salvos_White_Abarth on March 20, 2016, 08:57:39 pm
Nice post

At the moment ive been carrying a full size replacement with alloy at the back with the seats down but im unsure if its safe.I don't feel safe to be honest.Wouldnt want it flying.
Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: paullly on March 23, 2016, 07:57:20 pm
Just as a side note, space savers should only be fitted to back wheels anyway (especially on FWD cars) due to the forces on the front wheels/tyres during cornering, the tread width is not etiquette for this so if a front wheel is flat, it should be swapped for a front anyway (difficult I know with just a jack).

Like the guide and would be useful for a large portion of owners! 
Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: pigmy on August 09, 2016, 09:33:13 am
I went down the spare wheel route, after a great deal of research and searching, I found that a space saver wheel off the Fiat coupe 20v fits both front and rear of 500, not sure about  Brembo break upgrade, but if someone has it, they can borrow my wheel and try it?

The jack came from a Abarth Punto (all parts sourced Ebay/Fiat), what you will also need is some extended wheel bolts to reach through the space saver wheel as the coupe spare has a built in spacer to clear its calipers, thus fitting front and rear 500's. I can measure up the spacer thickness, and also the length of wheel /bolts. (I had to machine the bolts to suit our 500c, the advantage of being an engineer, cannot remember sizes as did this 3 years ago)

What you will need though, is to change the Tyre to a 125/70 r16 on the coupe wheel it was a 125/80 r16 tyre on the wheel I sourced. (The tyre was the most expensive item at about £80 if I remember correctly.)
The tyre needs changing to give the correct rolling diameter or as near as you can get.

The jack, I modified the nut so that it cleared the skirts, and you then you can get a socket on the jack and reduce the risk of catching your paint work.

I can take some pictures and post if people wish?   

Hope this is of interest and helpful.
Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: truthseeker on August 11, 2016, 07:24:56 pm
Brilliant post and info. Thanks.
Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: truthseeker on August 11, 2016, 08:03:53 pm
Just ordered everything from ebay exactly as op suggested. Used (but never used) Fiat spacesaver 135/80/14 @ £19.99 (free delivery), Brand new OEM jack kit and polystyrene insert (for Punto) @ £32 inc shipping (there were some cheaper but all were "used" kits) and as it is for a new Abarth, did not want anything that was not new. Finally, ice hockey puck @ £3. So all in a total of £55.

So glad I read this post as did not think a space saver was an option.

Feel a lot happier now.
Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: truthseeker on August 15, 2016, 01:32:54 pm
Anyone know if the standard Abarth wheel nuts are OK with the space-saver (length wise)?

Reason I ask is that the thickness on the alloy where the bolts pass through, is thicker than on the space-saver, and thought that maybe the bolts will be a tad too long?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: Mr Chicken on March 09, 2017, 06:27:31 pm
Excellent solution for a spacesaver wheel.
Just completed everything as stated and double checked everything too, and it all works perfectly.
Thanks for a great and cheap solution.
Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: 137699 on May 14, 2017, 07:28:30 pm
Thanking the OP for this excellent guide - have just ordered our spare set!
Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: FLP on May 15, 2017, 08:04:56 am
Great guide! Ordered the parts a while ago. I don't want to mess around with the compressor and the goo when I have a flat.

One point of attention: If you have the Beats audio system, don't expect to put the spacesaver in its intended place, the subwoofer is already there.
Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: pigmy on June 04, 2017, 06:08:47 pm
I went down the spare wheel route, after a great deal of research and searching, I found that a space saver wheel off the Fiat coupe 20v fits both front and rear of 500, not sure about  Brembo break upgrade, but if someone has it, they can borrow my wheel and try it?

The jack came from a Abarth Punto (all parts sourced Ebay/Fiat), what you will also need is some extended wheel bolts to reach through the space saver wheel as the coupe spare has a built in spacer to clear its calipers, thus fitting front and rear 500's. I can measure up the spacer thickness, and also the length of wheel /bolts. (I had to machine the bolts to suit our 500c, the advantage of being an engineer, cannot remember sizes as did this 3 years ago)

What you will need though, is to change the Tyre to a 125/70 r16 on the coupe wheel it was a 125/80 r16 tyre on the wheel I sourced. (The tyre was the most expensive item at about £80 if I remember correctly.)
The tyre needs changing to give the correct rolling diameter or as near as you can get.

The jack, I modified the nut so that it cleared the skirts, and you then you can get a socket on the jack and reduce the risk of catching your paint work.

I can take some pictures and post if people wish?   

Hope this is of interest and helpful.
Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: L1ARR on September 22, 2017, 02:54:27 pm
This thread has been extremely helpful. I do have a question. Does anyone know what the depth or best Rubber Jack pad would fit an Abarth 500?

Thanks
Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: 124Abarthreplica on December 03, 2017, 09:13:39 am
You would do best to post the question in the Abarth 500 section.
Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: Blackspeaker55 on March 26, 2018, 11:53:41 pm
thank you very much for your reply and help i food this very helpfull kind regards ian loving the ABARTH
Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: naj on April 03, 2018, 03:49:34 pm


What you will need though, is to change the Tyre to a 125/70 r16 on the coupe wheel it was a 125/80 r16 tyre on the wheel I sourced. (The tyre was the most expensive item at about £80 if I remember correctly.)
The tyre needs changing to give the correct rolling diameter or as near as you can get.


Hope this is of interest and helpful.

Can you please confirm that the 16" wheel fits the wheel well?

Thanks
naj
Title: Re: Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***
Post by: costasarapo on January 23, 2019, 05:46:30 pm
Very helpful info, especially for a newbie like me. I now know exactly what to look for.

However, one question: Apologies if it is sounds thick, but all the space savers that I can find on ebay are 14' and my car (and all the Abarths, as far as I know..) is fitted with 16' wheels. Will the difference in diameter of the space saver to the rest of the wheels not be a problem?
Title: 'Spare wheel'
Post by: SundanceLady on February 08, 2020, 04:41:31 pm
Hi,
We're in the process of buying an Abarth Turismo and are not happy about there not being a spare wheel.  We've read sac841's post - 'Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***' and are wondering if it's still the best information as it was originally posted in 2015.  Any views?
Title: Re: 'Spare wheel'
Post by: 124Abarthreplica on February 09, 2020, 10:38:09 am
Hi,
We're in the process of buying an Abarth Turismo and are not happy about there not being a spare wheel.  We've read sac841's post - 'Abarth 500/595 spacesaver wheel - the complete solution ***UPDATED***' and are wondering if it's still the best information as it was originally posted in 2015.  Any views?

Yes this is still current as the cars are not supplied with spare wheels.