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Newbie question - identifying the Abarth series
« on: October 12, 2021, 11:51:50 am »
This is a definite newbie question, but is there any info on the forum about identifying the dates of the various series' and the differences between them electronically and mechanically?

From my initial research I though there was only pre-facelift (pre-2016) and facelift, with the later cars using a different ecu, etc to the earlier models (and thus could be incompatible), but I've seen mention of S3 and S4 cars, so it looks like my understanding may be a bit too simplistic.

And as a side question, from various bits of googling I'm guessing the 5 speed manual 'box is preferable to the 6 speed, but without spending ££££ on a race box, are there any particular versions of the 5MT I should be looking out for?

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    Re: Newbie question - identifying the Abarth series
    « Reply #1 on: October 12, 2021, 12:54:21 pm »
    Another thing of note are the different emission standards covering the A500/A595/A695 models from 2008 launch.

    We have Euro 4, 5 and 6  :whistle:

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    Re: Newbie question - identifying the Abarth series
    « Reply #2 on: October 12, 2021, 01:21:54 pm »
    Another thing of note are the different emission standards covering the A500/A595/A695 models from 2008 launch.

    We have Euro 4, 5 and 6  :whistle:

    Yuck, that's one thing I've rarely had to worry about. When did the change from Euro 4 to 5 happen? Would make sense for me to stick to a Euro 4 base model if possible, since that then allows a little more emissions leeway when playing with power mods and exhaust systems

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    Re: Newbie question - identifying the Abarth series
    « Reply #3 on: October 14, 2021, 05:33:39 pm »
    Taken from an earlier post I made elsewhere: https://www.reddit.com/r/abarth/comments/io58d6/comment/g4czrwr/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

    Originally (Series 1) the only model offered FROM FACTORY was the 500, plain and simple with 135bhp. No spec levels, only factory fitted options available like leather, auto dimming mirror, stripes, scorpion bonnet decal, climate control. The original 160bhp Esseesse kit was a dealer fit option.  595 name change came with the introduction of the Turismo and Competizione, both with 160bhp IHI turbo and Koni dampers, announced August 2012. The base model was from memory still just called a 500.

    Series 2 didn't happen, but was supposed to include the 695 Fuoriserie. 

    Series 3 is pre-facelift in 2014. Big giveaway is the intro of the full TFT screen instead of just the digial centre piece with analogue gauges around the edge.

    Garrett turbo was introducted to Competizione around April 2015, with 180bhp, along with the stainless Monza.

    Series 4 from 2016 is the face lift. New bumpers, lights, steering wheel and head unit using Uconnect instead of Blue&Me. Still uses the stainless Monza. Monza Yellow was the special colour.

    October 2018ish, when the Adrenaline Green model became available, was the introduction of the new Monza exhaust. It has thicker tail pipes and operates via vacuum instead of back pressure and a spring. Same way the Akrapovic system works. Monza Yellow was replaced with another.

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    Re: Newbie question - identifying the Abarth series
    « Reply #4 on: October 14, 2021, 06:01:49 pm »
    Nice, thanks  :thumb:

    So by the looks of that there really are three versions, the s4 2016 'facelift' was purely cosmetic, and the change from Euro 5 to Euro 6 (no doubt using different ECUs / looms to the earlier models) actually happened in 2014 s3.

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    Re: Newbie question - identifying the Abarth series
    « Reply #5 on: October 14, 2021, 10:00:18 pm »
    I didn't really go into engines when I wrote that.  Euro 6 has been an evolving standard I believe with 6D 6D+Temp etc, so I don't know exactly what changes happened when on that front.  I think Euro 6 was sometime in 2014, presumably with Series 3 but can't find details.  I know 6D was introduced for MY19, so September/October 2018 refresh when the Active Monza was added as I have a document about that one.  From what I can see in the manuals, the body has a different number between Euro 5 and 6.  Probably small changes but worth bearing in mind.

    ECU is different from memory as the aftermarket tuning boxes had to be changed.

    Not sure I'd put the S4 as just cosmetic.  There are some electronics changed (Blue&Me > uConnect) or features added like options automatic lights/wipers (you can only have one or the other).

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    Re: Newbie question - identifying the Abarth series
    « Reply #6 on: October 15, 2021, 02:21:57 am »
    I didn't really go into engines when I wrote that.  Euro 6 has been an evolving standard I believe with 6D 6D+Temp etc, so I don't know exactly what changes happened when on that front.  I think Euro 6 was sometime in 2014, presumably with Series 3 but can't find details.  I know 6D was introduced for MY19, so September/October 2018 refresh when the Active Monza was added as I have a document about that one.  From what I can see in the manuals, the body has a different number between Euro 5 and 6.  Probably small changes but worth bearing in mind.

    ECU is different from memory as the aftermarket tuning boxes had to be changed.

    Not sure I'd put the S4 as just cosmetic.  There are some electronics changed (Blue&Me > uConnect) or features added like options automatic lights/wipers (you can only have one or the other).

    I see what you mean, but from the point of view I'm looking at (i.e. major loom / ecu differences) the s4 changes were mostly cosmetic, if you include the extra CAN bus thingy here and there.

    Interesting the body has a different number, that could be very minor (e.g. differences in headlight and tail light mounts) or it could be earth shattering, think I'd be better off sticking to pre-2014 for my potential 'franken-car' just in case.

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    Re: Newbie question - identifying the Abarth series
    « Reply #7 on: October 15, 2021, 09:01:19 am »
    It could just be tabs/mount locations. The engine code I believe was the same. The manual I noticed it in was for a 500c.

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    Re: Newbie question - identifying the Abarth series
    « Reply #8 on: October 15, 2021, 09:47:00 am »


    Series 2 didn't happen, but was supposed to include the 695 Fuoriserie. 



    I think the S2 was the change to Euro 5 with corresponding reduction in VED

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    Re: Newbie question - identifying the Abarth series
    « Reply #9 on: October 15, 2021, 10:14:06 am »
    I think the S2 was the change to Euro 5 with corresponding reduction in VED

    Ah, interesting, when did that 's2' Euro 5 change happen? Most likely that'll involve some ecu / loom changes too, unless it was just a matter of a mild remap; FCA generally try to stay ahead of the game emissions-wise, so could be the 500 was pretty much Euro 5 ready but just needed a few mapping tweaks.

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    Re: Newbie question - identifying the Abarth series
    « Reply #10 on: October 15, 2021, 10:54:47 am »
    Out of interest (and a trifle off topic) but FCA's desires to stay ahead of emissions laws is what finally finished off the fantastic Alfa 'Busso' v6. They added extra in-manifold cats and a new ecu to the 3.2 in the cf3 update to make it Euro 3 compliant, but that made it far less reliable - the extra cats did a lovely job of increasing back pressure and heat soak which may have resulted in blown head gaskets (something the v6 rarely suffered from before), and definitely resulted in barbecued ECUs since they were mounted directly above the rear manifold.

    And since there was no chance of getting the Busso Euro 4 ready they swapped to a far less pleasant GM-sourced V6 for the 159 and spectacular-looking Brera, which didn't do sales a lot of good.

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    Re: Newbie question - identifying the Abarth series
    « Reply #11 on: October 15, 2021, 09:51:50 pm »
    S2 is something I've never seen concrete info on.  S1, 3 and 4 are well known but 2 not so much.

    Compared to early S1 cars (my one was a '09 built mid year) I know there are at least two other components that changed some point after.  The first I was made aware of was when fixing the Blue&Me equipment.  From memory the unit was changed due an issue I was told it was now a different manufacturer with 64MB RAM instead of 32MB which in my experience made it much more reliable.  The second was interior trim.  My one had the red leather (now referred to as "Turismo" style) seats in the front with black rear seats with red stitching.  At some point this was changed to red rear seats.  It could be these relate to a potential series 2 update but I have no documents/proof and does contradict something I was told.

    The rear seat was a deal breaker for me when looking for a replacement, I wanted the same interior specs as I had in the '09 as I felt red throughout was a bit too much.  This brings me to the Fuori Serie/Fuoriserie, which was shown originally in Paris 2012 and then again in Geneva 2013.  These would have been based on the Tributo Ferrari's 180bhp setup, feature original non-TFT gauges but with custom options, potentially resolving my seat issue.  After waiting to hear updates about the car, all went quiet.  I enquired in the dealerships in person, where they knew nothing about it despite it being on a poster behind their desk.  I called other dealerships before eventually speaking to someone at the head office who confirmed the car wasn't going ahead, that it was part of the cancelled series 2.

    I have tried so many times to find a picture of the poster/artwork from the dealerships to post when I refer to this as I'm sure many have passed it without knowing the Fuoriserie.  I've searched online for the poster, for dealership interior photos to see if it's in the background etc but haven't been able to come up with anything.  It was definately in the showrooms before I enquired about the 180bhp Comp at the start of 2015 and I think for sometime after.

    The best way I can describe it is its laid out like, this but with more columns/rows:
    https://www.ricambio.co.uk/image/cache/cache/2001-3000/2792/main/94c3-dsc-0606-0-1-500x500.jpg
    but with only modern 500/595/695 variants using press images, with no labels, like:
    https://letocar.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Abarth-695-Fuori-Serie.jpg
    It's not in full colour though, its more of a greyscale.

    If anyone works in a dealership/visits and finds it, perhaps they could take a pic of it for me  ;D