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Abarth Cars => Abarth 500 => Topic started by: euroboy on March 01, 2009, 10:55:33 am

Title: Problems!
Post by: euroboy on March 01, 2009, 10:55:33 am
Oh dear!

Im losing the graphics in several places - in one spot a huge chunk of the thin white line above the Abarth on the side door has come off.  Roof chequers are starting to bubble too.

Both exhausts have rusty spots all over them.

 :thumbd:
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: John501 on March 01, 2009, 10:58:03 am
Take it back Euroboy, Your stickers will be covered under the warranty.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: george38 on March 01, 2009, 10:58:45 am
sorry to hear that euroboy - how long have you had yours, with what mileage? not that it could be enough to justify whats happened of course.

sure all will be sorted, and just hope all the stickers arent this weak!
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: olopboy on March 01, 2009, 11:12:01 am
It has been noted on some of the AGPs the graphics have had problems, used to have probs with the GTIs exhaust doing the same but a bit of metal polish would sort it out. Hope the Abarths are as easy to sort.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: lloyd on March 01, 2009, 11:44:41 am
my stripes have just started to peel around the abarth lettering, not badly but i,ll be keeping an eye on it
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: euroboy on March 01, 2009, 12:34:42 pm
Take it back Euroboy, Your stickers will be covered under the warranty.

Thanks for the info - I wasnt sure about the stickers with the warranty.

Im sure the exhausts wont be a big problem but it doesnt look that pretty :(

I still have the flashing mileage problem too, which no one can seem to solve.  Ill book it in at the proper Abarth dealer, but the 2hr drive to get there is a ball ache!

Car is 2 months old, 3500 miles.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: richbrowne on March 01, 2009, 12:38:52 pm
Mmm. Something to keep an eye on in case this becomes common place. :-\
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: george38 on March 01, 2009, 12:41:42 pm
could anyone tell me what this 'flashing mileage' problem is that im sure ive heard about a few times?

is it common, serious etc?
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: euroboy on March 01, 2009, 12:45:31 pm
could anyone tell me what this 'flashing mileage' problem is that im sure ive heard about a few times?

is it common, serious etc?

It indicates a problem in the CANBUS system - which means it could be anything really - you can still drive the car no problem at all, but it needs to be looked at is bloody annoying.

It seems to confuse the dealers too, as they have had mine 3 times, tell me its fixed and then anytime between 2hrs-2weeks later it starts again! :thumbd:
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: chunkymonkey on March 01, 2009, 01:49:13 pm
could anyone tell me what this 'flashing mileage' problem is that im sure ive heard about a few times?

is it common, serious etc?

It indicates a problem in the CANBUS system - which means it could be anything really - you can still drive the car no problem at all, but it needs to be looked at is bloody annoying.

It seems to confuse the dealers too, as they have had mine 3 times, tell me its fixed and then anytime between 2hrs-2weeks later it starts again! :thumbd:

ive posted on another thread there is a cure for this now, not sure which thread though, but it needs the instrument cluster software updating, its been a bit of a bane because its been so unpredictable and a common complaint but there was nothing we could do about it as, as suspected, it was a software problem.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: JKDesign80 on March 01, 2009, 02:07:30 pm
All sounds pretty unacceptable for the value of the car, and only being 2 months old.

The exhaust is stainless is'nt it?, I thought it was not supposed to rust, unless its a really cheap grade.

I would not be happy!, hope it gets sorted quickly.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: skydiver on March 01, 2009, 05:32:23 pm
Oh dear!

Im losing the graphics in several places - in one spot a huge chunk of the thin white line above the Abarth on the side door has come off.  Roof chequers are starting to bubble too.

Both exhausts have rusty spots all over them.

 :thumbd:

Not good news mate, :thumbd:
Any chance you could post some pics of the rust and graphics
Don’t like the sound of this, pick mine up tomorrow,
 hope they don’t turn out to be made of cheep materials.
I thought the build quality looked good  ???
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: euroboy on March 01, 2009, 05:47:51 pm
Oh dear!

Im losing the graphics in several places - in one spot a huge chunk of the thin white line above the Abarth on the side door has come off.  Roof chequers are starting to bubble too.

Both exhausts have rusty spots all over them.

 :thumbd:

Not good news mate, :thumbd:
Any chance you could post some pics of the rust and graphics
Don’t like the sound of this, pick mine up tomorrow,
 hope they don’t turn out to be made of cheep materials.
I thought the build quality looked good  ???


Will do tomorrow - as long as Abarth fix it with no fuss I wont be bothered - I have to say that after 2 months and 3500 miles I am still very happy and impressed with the overall quality of the car.  The interior is very solid and well made and theres no squeaks or rattles so far.

Will update tomorrow.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: Missing in Action on March 01, 2009, 06:38:57 pm
as far as i am aware the exaust is mild steal not stainless..... correct me if im wrong.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: chunkymonkey on March 01, 2009, 07:03:22 pm
mild steel with stainless tips isnt it?
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: Missing in Action on March 01, 2009, 07:20:57 pm
mild steel with stainless tips isnt it?

thats what i was lead to beleive
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: george38 on March 01, 2009, 07:22:30 pm
thats not so good then is it - we can all expect them to start rusting reasonably quickly?  ???
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: Missing in Action on March 01, 2009, 07:25:41 pm
thats not so good then is it - we can all expect them to start rusting reasonably quickly?  ???

yeah unfortuantly :( - however the tips are fine... although you can see a bit of rust inside the actual pipe though :( i guess we will all just haave to treat it.

its deffinatly my one beef with the car is the mild steel exhaust.... even my renault traffic van has a stainless exhaust :P oh well everything else i LOVE!
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: Ryan on March 01, 2009, 09:03:04 pm
Sounds awful for a brand new car. I hope Abarth hasn't got the old "italian charm" going about it's quality...
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: John501 on March 01, 2009, 09:07:26 pm
Lets put this in perspective folks, Euroboy has a sticker that is starting to peel and a spot of rust on his exhaust. Both easily fixed :thumb:
His car is not on the back of an AA truck, the engine hasn't fallen out and it not on fire. It doesn't sound like the end of the world to me.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: Missing in Action on March 01, 2009, 09:19:59 pm
Lets put this in perspective folks, Euroboy has a sticker that is starting to peel and a spot of rust on his exhaust. Both easily fixed :thumb:
His car is not on the back of an AA truck, the engine hasn't fallen out and it not on fire. It doesn't sound like the end of the world to me.

exactly :)
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: Ryan on March 01, 2009, 09:25:53 pm
Lets put this in perspective folks, Euroboy has a sticker that is starting to peel and a spot of rust on his exhaust. Both easily fixed :thumb:
His car is not on the back of an AA truck, the engine hasn't fallen out and it not on fire. It doesn't sound like the end of the world to me.

Still does not detract from the point that his exhaust is rusting and stickers are pealing on a brand new car. They may be fixed, but then it will just happen again. Abarth needs to look into the quality of it's decals and think about upgrading the exhausts for such a premium product.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: magicmole on March 01, 2009, 09:32:49 pm
Shouldn't the edges of decals be sealed with clear lacquer so that dirt and moisture can't get under them? If this was done then it would surely help stop them peeling. Wouldn't save stone damage though.

As for stainless exhausts, how many other cars in the Abarths' price range come fitted with them as standard? Abarth may be more expensive than a lot of other Fiats but it's hardly a premium product. That said, when the AGP EsseEsse kit is priced at £4000, the inclusion of a mild steel back box is taking penny pinching to extremes.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: Joe on March 01, 2009, 09:40:02 pm
Fair enough - it isn't serious, as John said - the engine hasn't fallen out. BUT, if a decal is peeling after a few months and the exhaust is already rusting then what is it going to look like after a couple of years? Am I going to be driving about is a car that says 'BART' on the side with the remains of my exhaust in tow? Even if it is easily fixed, the vast majority of people on here live a fair few miles from their dealer.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: george38 on March 01, 2009, 09:48:55 pm
Fair enough - it isn't serious, as John said - the engine hasn't fallen out. BUT, if a decal is peeling after a few months and the exhaust is already rusting then what is it going to look like after a couple of years? Am I going to be driving about is a car that says 'BART' on the side with the remains of my exhaust in tow? Even if it is easily fixed, the vast majority of people on here live a fair few miles from their dealer.


yes thats a good point - even little problems of the annoying nature such as these become a real pain when you have a big journey just to get to your nearest dealer :(
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: Old Boy on March 01, 2009, 09:56:39 pm
My exhaust is rusty on my 3 year old 535, and that was several times the cost of the GPA.  Not many cars have stainless steel exhausts, however the mild steel will last a few years before needing replacement, at which time a nice sounding stainless steel one could be on the cards.  ;D
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: Joe on March 01, 2009, 09:59:06 pm
My exhaust is rusty on my 3 year old 535, and that was several times the cost of the GPA.  Not many cars have stainless steel exhausts, however the mild steel will last a few years before needing replacement, at which time a nice sounding stainless steel one could be on the cards.  ;D

True - if it does drop to bits then an upgrade to a stainless system would probably be the best option  :thumb:
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: euroboy on March 01, 2009, 10:40:04 pm
As I said chaps, im not too fussed at the moment - ill judge Abarth on how easily / quickly / efficiently they fix it.

The dealer is a two hour drive for me, so its no easy task to take it there.

BTW to clear up some confusion, its the outer tips that are rusting, not the inner.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: John501 on March 01, 2009, 10:41:22 pm
Having a mild steel exhaust is all about weight not cost. If there is some spots of rust, it is just surface rust and a spot of autosol will sort it out in seconds.
Having the decals lifting may also be done to how you clean the car. A pressure or steam cleaner will lift most decals off a car no matter how much you have paid for it.
Please folks lets try and keep a relative perspective on this topic :thumb:
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: george38 on March 01, 2009, 10:52:00 pm
id still rather have a stainless steel one and not have to worry about rust - why should we be having to put rust treatment on after a few months, especially on the outer tips??!!

just because its not serious doesnt mean we shouldnt be discussing it - unfortunately, things WILL go wrong with these cars, they WILL develop problems. that doesnt mean they're bad, but nothing wrong with discussing our experiences :)
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: John501 on March 01, 2009, 11:01:01 pm
I'm not trying to say you shouldn't discuss your exeriences but there is one person who has 2 small problems with his car and this topic is now 2 pages long.
If you would prefer a stainless exhaust then fine, go and buy one, fit it to the car and happy days :thumb:
The problem with the stainless tips is the same with most cars. They get very hot and thus expand and then cool and thus contract. The stainless coating is not very flexible and so cracks leaving very small lines that over time will start to dispaly surface rust. When cleaning the car, applying a little autosol to the exhaust tips will keep them shiney and surface rust free :thumb:
The main problem I have with this thread is that people are commenting on the car without actually owning it, or having it for more than a few days. Lets try the car for a few months first and then come back and write an informed report on the car and any faults we find. (Euroboy, you are excused from my rant as you have owned the car for a few months :thumb:)
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: euroboy on March 01, 2009, 11:13:33 pm
I'm not trying to say you shouldn't discuss your exeriences but there is one person who has 2 small problems with his car and this topic is now 2 pages long.


I think thats more a symptom of the forum becoming more popular than anything else  :thumb:  Ill post up some pics tomorrow and you will be better placed to make up your own mind.

To be fair the car does get jet-washed - its probably been done 4 times since it was new.  I cant hand wash it here, I live on the 6th floor, have no hosepipe attachment/garage and hand car washes that you find in the UK simply dont exist here.

I have been very very careful not to spray the decals, although I guess I could have caught them on occasion  -  however the roof decals, which have only ever seen the sponge are bubbling and that I do find to be somewhat disappointing.

IMO the decals only have a limited lifespan anyway - but I was expecting 18 months rather than 2.

Im going to try and book the car in for a week on Monday, ill be better placed to comment after that.

As I previously stated, my opinion on the general fit and finish of the car after 3.5k miles is still very much  :thumb: and the 15k miles SS demo still felt very much as tight as a nut.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: richbrowne on March 01, 2009, 11:14:27 pm
My exhaust is rusty on my 3 year old 535, and that was several times the cost of the GPA.  Not many cars have stainless steel exhausts, however the mild steel will last a few years before needing replacement, at which time a nice sounding stainless steel one could be on the cards.  ;D

Mild steel on your 535? ??? My 993 911 was supplied with a full stainless system and is still looking good and going strong (no reference meant to A500s here as the prices do not compare).
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: John501 on March 01, 2009, 11:17:21 pm
Fair pay Euroboy, I'm sure your dealer will put any minor cosmetic problems right for you :thumb:
I know its a pain to travel 2 hours to get to them but imagine the fun you will have on the trip there and back :thumb:
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: richbrowne on March 01, 2009, 11:29:24 pm
I am seeing here two main reasons why things have gotten a little heated on this thread. Firstly, the fact that some issues have been noted in someones short ownership of the car and secondly, a (sudden) realisation that most of the exhaust system supplied is not stainless steel.

I must admit to being surprised to hear that decals have a limited lifetime, although I had heard of decals being damaged by jet washes. Does this occur on other cars? I don't know as I have never had another car with decals and I have no other knowledge to reference. I must also admit to being surprised that the Abarths are not supplied with stainless exhaust systems; could of sworn I read somewhere that they were? Maybe I dreamed it. ???
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: John501 on March 01, 2009, 11:34:46 pm
Only the tips are stainless Rich. Mild steel is always going to be lighter than stainless although it will obviously not last as long :thumbd:
Where do you stop with weight saving? some people complain about the lack of spare wheel, some people dont like the mild steel exhaust. How many would complain/ not buy the car if it is 2 seconds slower 0-60 or didn't performe like it does now?
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: Joe on March 01, 2009, 11:41:21 pm
It's only just occured to me but my Fiat 500 has decals. They're fine and the car is over 12 months old. I stay away from them with the power washer though...


EDIT: I imagine they're made from the same stuff that Abarth use?
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: John501 on March 02, 2009, 10:45:51 am
I would have though so  :thumb:
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: euroboy on March 02, 2009, 02:03:39 pm
OK people here are some quick pics, excuse the qulaity they are from a camera phone.

On closer inspection the inner, mild steel exhaust seems fine, its the stainless tips that are looking shabby - Ive highlighted the main areas in red, although theres lots more which either the camera doesnt pick up or is hard to see on the photos - I guess they will get worse with time.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/alexisbad/500/IMG_0209.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/alexisbad/500/IMG_0210.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/alexisbad/500/IMG_0211.jpg)

Here are some pics of the graphics on the side (the pics from the roof simply dont show the damage, the camera isnt good enough to pick up the bubbles etc) Anyhooo...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/alexisbad/500/IMG_0207.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/alexisbad/500/IMG_0212.jpg)
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: olopboy on March 02, 2009, 02:14:23 pm
Yeap the exhaust is exactly how my GTI would go, normally would take 2-3 months to re-appear bit of polish took it away again. Would fit with Johns explanation. The stripe degredation is a very poor though.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: AlexK on March 02, 2009, 02:17:15 pm
My Boxster did the same, too.  Had the tailpipes replaced under warranty and just kept on top of it with good ol' Autosol.

So, nice little warranty claim for you, followed by not using the jetwash on your stripes.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: mikey on March 02, 2009, 02:54:04 pm
I've Pro Drive pipes on my Subaru Legacy and they are the same - scrub them up every few months and they look good as new....
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: Joe on March 02, 2009, 03:43:46 pm
The rust spots don't look problematic - the stickers coming off are a bit annoying though  :thumbd:
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: richbrowne on March 02, 2009, 03:48:56 pm
I believe, as most others here, that the rust spots tend to be the nature of the beast. Unfortunately it is common for the stainless to be lowish grade, which induces the rust spots. I even had them on the exhaust tips on my 911 until I upgraded them.

Regarding the stripes, I guess we'll gain a better appreciation of any issues when we all take possession of and drive our cars. :thumb:
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: Joe on March 02, 2009, 03:58:19 pm
Regarding the stripes, I guess we'll gain a better appreciation of any issues when we all take possession of and drive our cars. :thumb:

Very true. We can't judge until we own one ourselves.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: olopboy on March 02, 2009, 04:00:00 pm
I have seen may cases where they certainly recommend avoiding pressure washers on the stripes, fortunately I'm far to tight to buy one
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: euroboy on March 02, 2009, 04:17:15 pm
Cars booked in for next monday (9/3) so will see what happens.  Id be quite happy for now if they just autosol they exhausts for me and tidy them up.

The main things I want sorting is the flashing mileage and the stickers.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: olopboy on March 02, 2009, 04:25:24 pm
Fingers crossed on that update chunkey mentioned, I know from lurking in the 500 section of FF that the flashing has been an issue for a long time.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: richbrowne on March 02, 2009, 05:12:40 pm
Cars booked in for next monday (9/3) so will see what happens.  Id be quite happy for now if they just autosol they exhausts for me and tidy them up.

The main things I want sorting is the flashing mileage and the stickers.

Good luck Euroboy; please let us know how you get on. :thumb:
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: kradcliffe on March 02, 2009, 07:03:36 pm
I believe, as most others here, that the rust spots tend to be the nature of the beast. Unfortunately it is common for the stainless to be lowish grade, which induces the rust spots.

Well, I have the full stainess Startech system on the 300C, and the twin oval tailpipes are still perfect. I give them a going over with tar spot remover maybe once a month, but there's no rust on them whatsoever.

(http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr130/kradcliffe/2006-STARTECH-Chrysler-300C-Exhaust.jpg)
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: richbrowne on March 02, 2009, 07:24:11 pm
Well, I have the full stainess Startech system on the 300C, and the twin oval tailpipes are still perfect. I give them a going over with tar spot remover maybe once a month, but there's no rust on them whatsoever.

Yep, I suspect the stainless steel used is a lot purer though. :-\
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: 903cc on March 02, 2009, 09:27:05 pm
I have had mine for 6 weeks now. 2 Stone Chips. One on the roof in the middle of a checker only affecting the checker. I heard it when it hit and actually glad I had the decal as it would have chipped paint.

One on the drivers door. Chipped paint oh well....

Apart from that I am very happy with the quality of the car. My only other advice is to use a decent USB stick in connection to the blue and me as I had to always had to pull out and push in the cheap USB stick. Bought a 16GB san disk one and problem sorted. Media player starts first time.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: Blueey on March 02, 2009, 09:37:18 pm
The answer to the rust issue is; get into detailing. :thumb:
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: olopboy on March 02, 2009, 10:21:01 pm
Better, find someone else into detailing and pay them  ;)
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: euroboy on March 09, 2009, 04:48:58 pm
Its been in for fixing today:

Both sets of side striped replaced.  Left the roof ones for now (see how they go).

Latest software loaded to hopefully defeat the flashing mileage problem.

Exhausts polished to within an inch of their lives and now shiney again.

They managed to do all that within 2 hrs whilst I waited with coffee and I-phone monopoly!  So far  :thumb: to Nieuwkoop.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: olopboy on March 09, 2009, 04:51:16 pm
Good stuff, fingers crossed on the software update.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: John501 on March 09, 2009, 05:13:36 pm
Good to hear, lets hope all is well now. :thumb:
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: SDM on March 09, 2009, 07:21:07 pm
Great, always good to hear positive stories about my future dealer. ;)
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: deppi0 on March 10, 2009, 10:06:23 am
hi all
i am new to this forum.
I am supposed to receive a "da 0 a 100" pretty soon......

Regarding the stickers issue i have been on Italian forums for a while now and the problem is well known to Fiat / Abarth... Basically they are supposed to put a transparent film over the stickers to protect them instead they have been putting in under the sticker to protect the paint. They have been replacing them under warranty but you should insist that they also add this film on top to protect them.

The issue regarding the flashing mileage has also been a long standing one for Abarth and it seems that the full update of car software should have solved it for everyone in Italy at least....
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: olopboy on March 10, 2009, 10:21:21 am

I am supposed to receive a "da 0 a 100" pretty soon......


You lucky, lucky, lucky......  ;D

Welcome  :wave: The flashing milage issue seems to have been resolved with the latest software the UK has recently been given on the 500 but I think people are still waiting to see if its a complete fix.

The film is news to me we'll have to wait and see what our resident trained techs say :)
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: richbrowne on March 10, 2009, 10:49:12 am
Hi deppi0, welcome to the forum. :wave:

I am supposed to receive a "da 0 a 100" pretty soon......

You are indeed a lucky man! :thumb:

Regarding the stickers issue i have been on Italian forums for a while now and the problem is well known to Fiat / Abarth... Basically they are supposed to put a transparent film over the stickers to protect them instead they have been putting in under the sticker to protect the paint. They have been replacing them under warranty but you should insist that they also add this film on top to protect them.

Mmm, very interesting. I guess those with orders being/about to be fulfilled need to know the official position on this.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: sandys on March 10, 2009, 11:16:11 am

Exhausts polished to within an inch of their lives and now shiney again.


Try some ACF - 50 on the exhaust works for my motorbike whose exhaust, engine and frame etc. suffer similar corrosion issues.

http://www.acf-50.co.uk/motorcycle.htm
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: tweetysv650s on March 10, 2009, 12:01:07 pm
Yes, it is worth looking at products for motorcycles as well to help prevent these problems. I use a protcective spray made by Scotoil which if applied after cleaning gives an all weather protective film which then washes off during routine cleaning. :thumb: It also does not discolour the exhaust should they become really hot during normal use :whistle:
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: sandys on March 10, 2009, 12:02:34 pm
sounds just like acf50  :)
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: deppi0 on March 10, 2009, 02:38:10 pm
Thanks guys,
I have a feeling i might have a tough time registering the car in the UK....but let's hope Fiat will be helpfull.

Can any of you tell me on which side are the reversing and back fog light on the A500? The last thing i want to do is to have to re-wire...

Thanks
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: george38 on March 10, 2009, 02:46:02 pm
looking at it from the back, the reverse light is on the left, rear fog on the right :)
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: olopboy on March 10, 2009, 02:49:04 pm
Would have thought the lights would be fine, the big pain would be changing the speedo.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: euroboy on March 10, 2009, 03:06:41 pm
Would have thought the lights would be fine, the big pain would be changing the speedo.

Indeed the biggest problems are the speedo, front lights and paperwork!  You need a certificate of conformity etc.

Having gone through the process a couple of years ago I can tell you that it gets a little frustrating, but as long as keep yourself organised its possible!
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: deppi0 on March 10, 2009, 03:17:55 pm
i have done it as well on a couple of other cars in the past and it was relatively simple even to change the speedo and front lamps (apart from the cost obviously  :thumbd:)

let's hope that Fiat / Abarth will be helpfull....

thanks
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: euroboy on March 25, 2009, 08:29:08 pm
Clock is flashing again today  :'(  This is after the so called magic final update for the clocks was applied a couple of weeks ago.  I really really wish this car didnt have B&M!

Very frustrating!
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: kradcliffe on March 25, 2009, 09:37:54 pm
Yeah, B&M is a disaster. Full stop.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: chunkymonkey on March 25, 2009, 10:53:53 pm
Clock is flashing again today  :'(  This is after the so called magic final update for the clocks was applied a couple of weeks ago.  I really really wish this car didnt have B&M!

Very frustrating!

the flashing mileage update isnt to do with blue and me i dont think, it updates the body computer software, and i think its to fix a communication problem between the body computer and the instrument cluster node.

is your blue and me still working?
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: euroboy on March 26, 2009, 08:35:47 am
Yes the B&M works 'fine'  - I hate it btw!!  On the 4 times I have been to the dealer they have said the next job would be to replace the B&M module if the flashing came back, hence me thinking it was some sort of B&M fault.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: kradcliffe on March 26, 2009, 11:27:17 am
B&M does not like my 32gb mem stick at all but other people seem to be able to use them. No matter how I format it or what I put on (following the guidelines in the manual) it will not work. B&M keeps crashing completely for hours on end then mysteriously coming back to life. I tried to pull the fuse to reset it last night and ended up blowing the fuse as there's live metal at the side of the fuseboard) and losing my climate control and radio. The Manual says the internal fuse box is down by the pedals when it's actually in the cubbyhole and so recessed it's almost impossible to get a fuse out.

The mileage has now started flashing as well and I'm buggered if I'm going to my "local" dealer on a 300 mile round trip to get it sorted.

The B&M update server does not work either, and according to what I've read never has. The car hasn't even done 800 miles yet. Typical Fiat!

I knew I should have bought a Focus ST instead .....
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: richbrowne on March 26, 2009, 11:47:30 am
B&M does not like my 32gb mem stick at all but other people seem to be able to use them. No matter how I format it or what I put on (following the guidelines in the manual) it will not work. B&M keeps crashing completely for hours on end then mysteriously coming back to life. I tried to pull the fuse to reset it last night and ended up blowing the fuse as there's live metal at the side of the fuseboard) and losing my climate control and radio. The Manual says the internal fuse box is down by the pedals when it's actually in the cubbyhole and so recessed it's almost impossible to get a fuse out.

The mileage has now started flashing as well and I'm buggered if I'm going to my "local" dealer on a 300 mile round trip to get it sorted.

The B&M update server does not work either, and according to what I've read never has. The car hasn't even done 800 miles yet. Typical Fiat!

I knew I should have bought a Focus ST instead .....
Mmm, as you say, not good. Funny that, I looked into the Focus ST prior to ordering an A500 but decided on the A500 due to it having more cachet.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: sikersh on March 26, 2009, 09:27:49 pm
B&M does not like my 32gb mem stick at all but other people seem to be able to use them. No matter how I format it or what I put on (following the guidelines in the manual) it will not work. B&M keeps crashing completely for hours on end then mysteriously coming back to life. I tried to pull the fuse to reset it last night and ended up blowing the fuse as there's live metal at the side of the fuseboard) and losing my climate control and radio. The Manual says the internal fuse box is down by the pedals when it's actually in the cubbyhole and so recessed it's almost impossible to get a fuse out.

The mileage has now started flashing as well and I'm buggered if I'm going to my "local" dealer on a 300 mile round trip to get it sorted.

The B&M update server does not work either, and according to what I've read never has. The car hasn't even done 800 miles yet. Typical Fiat!

I knew I should have bought a Focus ST instead .....

To be honest I've had my 500 Sport for over a year now and I haven't had any probs with Blue & Me. Mileage has flashed a few times, but from what I've read theres no real solution  ??? It's a FIAT, you didn't expect it to be perfect did you? lol Thats why I love them and thats why I wouldn't want any other car.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: kradcliffe on March 27, 2009, 10:43:24 am
For over 15 grand I would expect a car that size to be gold plated and diamond studded :)

Seriously though, there seems to be major problems with B&M on all Fiat models, and they shouldn't be selling the system if it is flawed to such a degree. Even more so given the fact it's been out for so long as well.

Statements like yours don't help Fiat in trying to shake off their reputation for poor quality in the past.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: Alex_gregory_uk on March 27, 2009, 10:58:33 am
I know B&M has it's issues but as a whole is a good system. A lot of it depends on your phone and I haven't had any problems with my phone's (I change them regulary!) and blue and me for the last 2 and a half years. The USB socket is a great feature and miles ahead of Ford's 3.5mm input. I really think Fiat could do with releasing some updates for it to make it more compatiable with a wider selection of phones. At the end of the day it's free on the car so can't really be knocked. If I'd paid for it as an optional extra the issues with it would be more annoying.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: euroboy on March 27, 2009, 12:04:09 pm
The USB socket is a great feature and miles ahead of Ford's 3.5mm input.

Its absolutely not a step forward on the 3.5mm socket - its a leap backwards!  The 3.5mm socket lets you play any format from any player instantly and easily and looks neat.  The USB feature lets you only play certain formats from certain mediums (still havent found a HDD that works) and im sure over time it will wear out.  Add to that the flakey reliability and constant crashing and it just adds up to a complete mess.

As the other poster mentioned Fiat should either sort it out once and for all or just get rid of it.  The thing that frustrates me the most is that they even make it impossible to get rid of the B&M and put your own HU in.  I have got a great Alpine IDA-X001 Ipod HU sitting in a box gathering dust because there is just no way to get rid of the B&M elements without the car chucking a spaz fit.

Its the same story with the Magnetti Marelli/Fiat Nav - they just dont give a crap; its clunky and full of faults and they dont seem to care about upgrading it.

Its really becoming the only thing I dislike about the car - as soon as someone comes up with a way of easily and safely getting rid of the B&M ill be at the front of the queue to do it.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: Alex_gregory_uk on March 27, 2009, 12:17:28 pm
When I say it's a step forward I mean in the sense of controlling the input instead of having to get your ipod and manually change songs which I think is dangerous. The USB takes various formats which work fine. I think some people are expecting far to much from it. You can't expect microsoft to fully integrate Apples products. I have never come across a good manufacturer sat nav compared to aftermarket units.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: iain500 on March 27, 2009, 12:28:43 pm
Can't say I've experienced problems with the B&M on either of my 500's thus far. If you want a really annoying multi media issue versus the purchase cost of car try another Fiat Group manufacturer - Maserati. The TMC won't work in my GranTurismo because Maserati GB did not pay the licensing fee to join the system. Unbelievable in a car that cost nearly £90k, is designed for long distance touring yet can't tell you where there are traffic issues on your chosen route. It's not exactly new technology either - I had it in a 5 series 6 years ago - and the dealers certainly don't mention the fact that this feature is disabled when you buy the car  :thumbd: The head unit is from Citroen and simply rebranded as Maserati so it works fine if you have it in a C5 but is useless if you've got the Italian car. Total shambles.

Oh, and there is a USB port in the glovebox in the GT but it only lets you recharge an MP3 device, not play it through the media system. I dopn't know what genius in product planning came up with that one!
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: euroboy on March 27, 2009, 12:38:10 pm
When I say it's a step forward I mean in the sense of controlling the input instead of having to get your ipod and manually change songs which I think is dangerous. The USB takes various formats which work fine. I think some people are expecting far to much from it. You can't expect microsoft to fully integrate Apples products. I have never come across a good manufacturer sat nav compared to aftermarket units.

I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

I expect the media player to work well with the most popular formats (including .aac - if Ford can do it then so can Fiat).  I expect it to be able to power a rudimentary HDD and I expect it to work day-to-day without random faults and crapping out at the most inconvinient moments - unfortunately it is not able to do any of this.

I wouldnt even mind so much if Fiat had made it easy to remove it and put your own system in there - but they havent!  Its absolutely impossible to bypass it.

For the money I paid for the car and the price the B&M usually costs (as an option) it should be much, MUCH better  :thumbd:
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: Alex_gregory_uk on March 27, 2009, 12:42:06 pm
I think the best option is to agree to disagree! I agree with your points and do think fiat could have done better, as can most manufaturers! It does the job I want it to without any issues yet.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: kradcliffe on March 27, 2009, 12:59:17 pm
In the manual it does not state there is an upper limit to USB stick size. If an 80gb ipod works then why doesn't a smaller USB Stick. It says that there needs to be less than 20,000 songs in less than 20 folders for it to work.

Given 20,000 songs at average 4mb = 78gb total, I would then assume a 32gb stick with 5000 songs on it should work no problem. But it doesn't.

One of the reasons I bought the car was because of it's seemingly wonderful MP3 connectivity but it won't work for me.

P.S. Does anyone know how to shuffle MP3 tracks played from a CD, as it doesn't seem to be able to do that either?

without the car chucking a spaz fit

I love your wording. Straight to the point :P
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: Alex_gregory_uk on March 27, 2009, 01:06:20 pm
There are reports on the fiat forum of some usb sticks that are incompatiable. I'm not sure why some would work and why others wouldn't but that could be the reason. While playing the CD if you press the voice activation button and say shuffle on that should work for you.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: 903cc on March 27, 2009, 01:23:02 pm
I had a cheap USB stick that we give to customers as gift and that did not work properly in the car. It failed to be recognised at start up but if i Pulled out and plugged it back in it worked. Have a SanDisk Cruzer now and it work perfectly
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: sandys on March 27, 2009, 02:09:41 pm
The USB socket is a great feature and miles ahead of Ford's 3.5mm input.

Its absolutely not a step forward on the 3.5mm socket - its a leap backwards!  The 3.5mm socket lets you play any format from any player instantly and easily and looks neat.  The USB feature lets you only play certain formats from certain mediums (still havent found a HDD that works) and im sure over time it will wear out.  Add to that the flakey reliability and constant crashing and it just adds up to a complete mess.

A HDD should work no differently to a USB stick, provided you have a USB powered hard disc, it'll all be down to the formatting, most large HDD won't probably be FAT formatted, so you might have to put it on your PC and use something like gparted to fat format it rather than NTFS (the default on later windows)

also another reason these integrated units often fall down is due to silly things like file name length cap of 99 etc causing it to bomb out or special character causing it too fail.

So if you downloaded something from the web for example

and it had the following structure on disc

-> denotes directory structure

Music -> <artist name> -> <album name> -> CD1 -> 01_<artist name>_<album name>_192kbits_www.stealyourmp3fromme.com.mp3

As things like artist name and album name can be long especially one combined with the path you hit file path limits it all goes t*ts up.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: kradcliffe on March 27, 2009, 02:24:46 pm
I thought of that already .... all my files are straight from my DJ computer and are all named and id tagged properly. It could just be the stick itself, so I'll try adding one folder at a time to see where it craps out or whether it works at all. My 1gb stick I bought about 4 years ago works perfectly. Strange!
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: LMP72K on March 27, 2009, 02:37:03 pm
Before I start, I have to admit to being a geeky software developer, so please forgive me, but I quite like B&M.  It's not perfect by any means and I can think of lots of enhancements, but it does its job fairly well for what it is.

My biggest issue with it is that although the Media Player is "sold" on the basis of taking your music library with you, you really have to stop and think about usability -- especially as it's in a car.  It's very well having theoretical limits to the number of tracks/folders etc, but when it comes to selecting songs you have to remember that the interface isn't as easy to use as say an ipod Jog wheel with a multi-line screen. 

Yes, the voice options give you the ability to select Genre, Albums, Folders etc, but you are then presented with an alphabetical list of genres, albums, folders etc which you have to scroll through with Up/Down arrows!  I eventually gave up that idea and worked with playlists, but again its difficult to manage more than a few hundred songs, let alone a thousand or 20 thousand!

My solution (after 3 years using it on a daily basis) -- 4 simple 1 or 2Gb memory sticks (cheap nasty supermarket ones, as some premium brands don't work) loaded with my playslists and songs attached to a small keyring. 

They take only a few seconds to swap over, take a maximum of 10 to 15 seconds to rebuild the playlists and it works really, really well for me.  :thumb:


Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: scuderia sitar on March 27, 2009, 08:41:04 pm
 :thumb: That sounds like a top idea to me  :thumb:
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: kradcliffe on March 27, 2009, 09:11:45 pm
Yeah, me too - I had sort of come to that conclusion anyway so it's good there's someone out there thinking like me .... I am a technology geek too!
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: LMP72K on March 28, 2009, 12:56:56 pm
Geeks, gadgets and fast cars!  ;D ;D ;D

Love it!  :thumb:
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: stokey on April 05, 2009, 08:08:38 am
Our LE has two problems! 1) Lovely swirl marks in the paint work ( supplied free by our dealer probably letting the YTS trainee do the valet with wire wool!!) and 2) a 1 inch scratch in the red leather seat base. It's not very deep so does anybody know how we can hide it?
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: fizzio on April 07, 2009, 04:01:03 pm
 when washing my LE 500  noticed some tiny specs rust ??? on the boot. i have noticed that the boot gets a lot more dirty than the rest of the car. wondering whether  stones have caused this.  i did have supaguard applied to the car before delivery. should this not protect the paint?has anyone noticed this? will be keeping a close on this.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: LMP72K on April 07, 2009, 04:06:46 pm
Rust?  I thought the body was galvenised?  I know that my GP has quite a few stone chips, and even when they've gone through to the base metal, they haven't rusted...
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: olopboy on April 07, 2009, 04:11:44 pm
I agree my boot does seem to collect and show dirt like some crazed art collector (I have no idea where that analogy came from or where it was going) but no idea where you would be getting rust specks from. I gave my car a thorugh wash and wax on Friday and already the boot has black marks from washing the rear window all over it.

The oh so wonderful supaguard should keep the contaminent off the actual paintwork depending of course what it is. You hear horror storys of sparks from angle grinders burning right through paint etc.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: fizzio on April 07, 2009, 04:14:09 pm
Rust?  I thought the body was galvenised?  I know that my GP has quite a few stone chips, and even when they've gone through to the base metal, they haven't rusted...
i thought that the body was galvanised to. they really are tiny so i doubt whether they would show up if i took some pics and posted them. not sure what they are but will watch them closely.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: olopboy on April 07, 2009, 04:20:19 pm
Is it a surface contaminent or coming up through the paint? If it's surface its possible its stuff from the transporting and might just need a good wash and claying to remove (I've seen this mentioned a few times on various forums)
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: daborg on April 07, 2009, 04:21:26 pm
Quick question to the house - how much does supaguard cost?
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: fizzio on April 07, 2009, 04:25:47 pm
Quick question to the house - how much does supaguard cost?
varies but i paid about £250 including vat
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: fizzio on April 07, 2009, 04:30:13 pm
Is it a surface contaminent or coming up through the paint? If it's surface its possible its stuff from the transporting and might just need a good wash and claying to remove (I've seen this mentioned a few times on various forums)
thanks for the advice. will try that and see how it goes. apart from that everything works and the car is brilliant!!!
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: olopboy on April 07, 2009, 04:38:27 pm
Only problem is if the contaminent is embeded below the supaguard layer, might be a pain to get rid of. See what happens when you wash it, if its just wind blown gunk that should come off straight away. Once you've washed it and its still there, you should hopefully be able to see if there is a layer over it or not.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: daborg on April 07, 2009, 05:21:49 pm
Thanks - will the dealer apply the supaguard when my car arrives?
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: LMP72K on April 07, 2009, 06:06:29 pm
I've skipped the dealer supplied paint treatment on mine and I'm having a local detailing guy apply Permagard to my A500 (as he did for my GP).  He clays and cleans the car before applying the treatment to ensure that all the contaminants (that are bound to be on the paint) are removed.  The last thing you want is the treatment sealing in the nasties  :'(  He charges £130+VAT for the exterior if the car has done under 1,500 miles which I think is pretty good value.


Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: DraigFlag on April 07, 2009, 06:19:38 pm
I have those little brown/black specs too on my boot, they're not rust, they're tar! I was concerned but i'm 95% certain that they're just tiny tar spots. I'll put some tar remover on them next time i wash the car and see what happens.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: george38 on April 07, 2009, 07:15:20 pm
I agree my boot does seem to collect and show dirt like some crazed art collector (I have no idea where that analogy came from or where it was going) but no idea where you would be getting rust specks from. I gave my car a thorugh wash and wax on Friday and already the boot has black marks from washing the rear window all over it.

The oh so wonderful supaguard should keep the contaminent off the actual paintwork depending of course what it is. You hear horror storys of sparks from angle grinders burning right through paint etc.

likewise, im amazed how fast the boot area, and specifically the flat part of the rear bumper under it, gets dirty. and we're talking real dirty!  makes regular cleaning essential rather than optional!
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: stevey293 on April 07, 2009, 07:15:28 pm
my stickers are still looking pretty good after 10000 miles in 5 months but im still going to see about getting them painted on so they last the whole life of the car. as for the exhaust tips mine have started to go black does anyone know how to fix this? or clean it?
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: fizzio on April 07, 2009, 08:58:23 pm
I have those little brown/black specs too on my boot, they're not rust, they're tar! I was concerned but i'm 95% certain that they're just tiny tar spots. I'll put some tar remover on them next time i wash the car and see what happens.
please let me know how you get on and if it works what type of tar remover you use. thanks
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: Missing in Action on April 07, 2009, 08:59:08 pm
my stickers are still looking pretty good after 10000 miles in 5 months but im still going to see about getting them painted on so they last the whole life of the car. as for the exhaust tips mine have started to go black does anyone know how to fix this? or clean it?

mine are also like this, if you scrub at them about 60% comes off but the last 40% i cant get off
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: DraigFlag on April 07, 2009, 09:03:22 pm
I have those little brown/black specs too on my boot, they're not rust, they're tar! I was concerned but i'm 95% certain that they're just tiny tar spots. I'll put some tar remover on them next time i wash the car and see what happens.
please let me know how you get on and if it works what type of tar remover you use. thanks
I used to do a lot of car valeting, i'm pretty sure it's tar. I use AutoGlyms intensive tar remover with a soft brush. Apply, leave for a moment and you can see the tar run down the paint in little brown streaks, then i wash with clean water. I'll see what happens, probably be the weekend now...
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: wampa on April 07, 2009, 09:23:18 pm
I have those little brown/black specs too on my boot, they're not rust, they're tar! I was concerned but i'm 95% certain that they're just tiny tar spots. I'll put some tar remover on them next time i wash the car and see what happens.
please let me know how you get on and if it works what type of tar remover you use. thanks
I used to do a lot of car valeting, i'm pretty sure it's tar. I use AutoGlyms intensive tar remover with a soft brush. Apply, leave for a moment and you can see the tar run down the paint in little brown streaks, then i wash with clean water. I'll see what happens, probably be the weekend now...

I have used Autoglym too and found it to work very well, I'd recommend it  :thumb:
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: stevey293 on May 11, 2009, 06:10:53 pm
Ive started using white vinigar to get the black marks off the exhaust works a treat and i use a ASDA magic car glove its nylon mesh side is awesome at getting rid of the tar marks and doesn't scratch the paint or the exaust before anyone asks.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: scuderia sitar on May 12, 2009, 10:06:32 am
Ive started using white vinigar to get the black marks off the exhaust works a treat and i use a ASDA magic car glove its nylon mesh side is awesome at getting rid of the tar marks and doesn't scratch the paint or the exaust before anyone asks.

I'd be very careful with anything nylon.  It may not seem scratchy, but it you rub too hard then it will obliterate a lot of things.  In my younger days, I completely wrecked the lacquer on some alloys once using a nylon pan scrubber !!
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: euroboy on May 12, 2009, 10:54:25 am
Sometimes over the last weeks the car has been quite reluctant to start and yesterday evening it ran on what sounded like 3 cylinders for about 20 secs and then spluttered out. 

Not good!

Something to keep an eye on I guess.
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: stevey293 on May 12, 2009, 11:05:54 am
id get it checked out. at least get them to read the computer and find out what happened. Did it show any errors on the dash?
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: Salvos_White_Abarth on March 13, 2010, 10:42:16 pm
hi all
i am new to this forum.
I am supposed to receive a "da 0 a 100" pretty soon......

Regarding the stickers issue i have been on Italian forums for a while now and the problem is well known to Fiat / Abarth... Basically they are supposed to put a transparent film over the stickers to protect them instead they have been putting in under the sticker to protect the paint. They have been replacing them under warranty but you should insist that they also add this film on top to protect them.

( i spoke to sean at platts and told him i was concerned about water pealing the stickers off and he explained how they do it there is they do put a clean film over the stickers to stop them pealing off :thumb:. so i hope this is the case:)

Am i correct in that if the stickers get added on from the factory they peel off..but maby mine being done at platts it'l have this film over them and will stop them pealing off.

Maby the solution is: if you order a abarth, ask the stickers to be applied at the dealer ship if they offer that service, and request they put this clear film on top for you?

Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: olopboy on March 13, 2010, 11:05:09 pm
This doesn't seem to have been a huge issue to be honest, you are quoting from nearly a year ago.

You do need to stop digging round old threads worrying yourself.  ;D
Title: Re: Problems!
Post by: Salvos_White_Abarth on March 14, 2010, 05:55:49 pm
haha i am abit of a worrier sometimes:)

if i can get hold on my car quicker...itl save me looking on here for hours as il be driving around all day with a big grin on my face:D