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Offline A64RTH

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4C engined 124
« on: September 24, 2016, 02:26:45 pm »
Just wondering if anyone has heard anything more about if and when there will be a 4c engine in the 124, ideally hard top? Since its unrealistic to ever own a 124 Rally.

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    Offline Trooper

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    Re: 4C engined 124
    « Reply #1 on: September 24, 2016, 06:20:45 pm »
    Can't see it happening
    Its of no advantage to either Mazda or Alfa

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    Re: 4C engined 124
    « Reply #2 on: September 24, 2016, 06:25:37 pm »
    That's what I thought but I've heard the odd Abarth dealer say it's coming in around 3 years time.

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    Re: 4C engined 124
    « Reply #3 on: September 24, 2016, 07:33:12 pm »
    A tuned version of the multiair with around 200bhp would be a safer bet for fiat group
    It would save a fortune on costs compared to fitting the 1750 from the 4c
    And as far as im aware an engine that has never been fitted longitudinally.

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    Re: 4C engined 124
    « Reply #4 on: September 24, 2016, 08:18:50 pm »
    The new 124 Rally has it fitted

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    Re: 4C engined 124
    « Reply #5 on: September 25, 2016, 02:45:49 pm »
    I've not seen any specs for the rally engine apart that its a 1.8 twin cam turbo didn't realise they were the same engine
    But I suppose the 4c engine would be the closest thing fiat group have to use in it.

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    Re: 4C engined 124
    « Reply #6 on: September 25, 2016, 09:41:55 pm »
    i wouldnt believe what they say about coming in 3 years down the line....take that with a pinch as abarth dont even know what theyre doing next week nevermind 3 years :P
    Now with added monza fun :P

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    Re: 4C engined 124
    « Reply #7 on: September 26, 2016, 03:37:40 pm »
    The new 124 Rally has it fitted

    The 124 rally actually has a special 1.8 litre designed specifically for the 124 rally I thought?

    As to the OPs original question. Expect higher states of tune as early as 2017. Talks of 190 and 210 bhp version with a 1.8 litre non rally version de-tuned to minimum 220 bhp+ (sort of like a biposto type 124).
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    Re: 4C engined 124
    « Reply #8 on: February 01, 2017, 11:16:24 am »
    Sorry for the bump, but just wanted to add - bluespark's tuning box claims to be getting 190-195 out of the 124's engine - that sounds like a much nicer figure than the stock 170.

    If the claims are true, that'd definitely be worth the £150.

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    Re: 4C engined 124
    « Reply #9 on: February 01, 2017, 01:19:32 pm »
    Would be surprised if that's the case considering the couldn't break the 180s nor could TMC. Has it ever been mentioned again if they managed it with the plug & play boxes?
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    Re: 4C engined 124
    « Reply #10 on: February 01, 2017, 03:29:08 pm »
    I haven't seen any dyno results yet. There's a dyno run on youtube for what I think is a US spec 124 by Biesse (stage 1, not box).

    Having said that, I've asked BlueSpark and they've said that they can reprogram the tuning box from my A500 for the 124 for £60. At that price it'd be tempting just to get it on a dyno and see (can always moan at them if it doesn't do anything). I know people tend to prefer TMC over BlueSpark, but when I put my 135 with the BlueSpark box on a dyno it maxed out at around 164, which isn't too shabby.

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    Re: 4C engined 124
    « Reply #11 on: February 01, 2017, 04:10:19 pm »
    The Mito QV has the same engine as the 124 and that has stayed at 170bhp since it was first used in the Mito several years ago. People are not falling over themselves to buy the Mito. You would think Alfa would have at some stage upped the power to entice a few more punters, even just another 10hp. Maybe the Multiair near it's maximum

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    Re: 4C engined 124
    « Reply #12 on: February 01, 2017, 04:27:21 pm »
    The same MA engine is also in the Evo Supersport rated 180 bhp as standard.

    The Esseesse conversion took the standard MA 163bhp to 178/180bhp.

    So the 124 MA engine is factory rated up to 180bhp max.

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    Re: 4C engined 124
    « Reply #13 on: February 02, 2017, 12:54:04 am »
    Guys on Fiat Tech getting 240hp from a tune on the Multiair on pre-2014 500s. Euro Compulsion claiming 200whp on the 124 with a tune.

    I'm convinced the engine is more capable than its current state of tune.
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    Re: 4C engined 124
    « Reply #14 on: February 02, 2017, 10:50:56 am »
    Thing is that's the yanks. No offence to them but some of the figures they have thrown about with regards to tuning are garbage. The UK can't compete and weirdly nor can the Italians themselves so any quotes that come out from the US I take with a big pinch of salt.

    Weren't they claiming 220 bhp at the wheels on a GT1446 with purely a remap... That's 256 bhp at the flywheel. Just no.
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