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Offline PORTHOS

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Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
« Reply #105 on: March 17, 2016, 01:36:33 pm »
Iv'e been routing though some stats for the Abarth 124 and MX-5 to compare...

Curb weight(kg)/Power(ps)

MX-5 Sport Recaro: 1000kg/160ps
Abarth 124: 1060kg/170ps

Power to weight (ps used as bhp/ton)
Mx-5 Sport Recaro: 163
Abarth 124: 163

So they really are exactly the same power to weight....... ???

I know the 124 has more torque, so probably slightly faster to 60mph, but on paper, there is nothing between them at all interestingly.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2016, 01:42:03 pm by PORTHOS »

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    Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
    « Reply #106 on: March 17, 2016, 04:50:50 pm »
    I imagine it puts it power down better as even though it is heavier than a 180 Comp and 10 horses down, only 0.1s slower going by official numbers. Doesn't the MX-5 have stupidly thin tyres? I imagine Abarth would have opted for a wider track if the case.
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    Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
    « Reply #107 on: March 17, 2016, 05:15:30 pm »
    I imagine it puts it power down better as even though it is heavier than a 180 Comp and 10 horses down, only 0.1s slower going by official numbers. Doesn't the MX-5 have stupidly thin tyres? I imagine Abarth would have opted for a wider track if the case.

    Actually, the 180 comp is over 1100kg, I weighed it myself recently and even on the Japanese Abarth website they are listed as 1112kg, the Japanese are pretty obsessed with accuracy as well (like me!  ::)) The site even lists the car's gear ratios.

    http://www.abarth.jp/abarth595_competizione/

    So, take that into account, the bhp/ton of the 180 comp is really 165. But yes, the 124 being RWD should accelerate faster.  Many magazines testing the MX-5 are coming back with sub 6 second 0-60 times (yes really!), the 124 shouldn't be any different with that added torque, perhaps a smudge faster.

    MX-5 Alloys are 17x7 which is the same as the 124 as far as I know. They don't need to be so wide because the power isn't that high.

    More interesting though, Mazda are teasing the press at the moment with 'new model' rumours. A hard top mx-5 or even a coupe version with a fixed roof possibly?...... we'll find out in 6 days time at the NY Auto Show.  :whistle:

    If it's true, I imagine the 124 to follow suit on the same time scale (year after the 124 launch), but who knows!
    « Last Edit: March 17, 2016, 05:23:23 pm by PORTHOS »

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    Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
    « Reply #108 on: March 17, 2016, 06:32:18 pm »
    Iv'e been routing though some stats for the Abarth 124 and MX-5 to compare...

    Curb weight(kg)/Power(ps)

    MX-5 Sport Recaro: 1000kg/160ps
    Abarth 124: 1060kg/170ps

    Power to weight (ps used as bhp/ton)
    Mx-5 Sport Recaro: 163
    Abarth 124: 163

    So they really are exactly the same power to weight....... ???

    I know the 124 has more torque, so probably slightly faster to 60mph, but on paper, there is nothing between them at all interestingly.

    Does not bode well for the Fiat 124 version with 140 bhp :thumbd:

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    Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
    « Reply #109 on: March 17, 2016, 06:51:39 pm »
    Does not bode well for the Fiat 124 version with 140 bhp :thumbd:

    Well, that's the even more interesting bit.....

    FIAT 124: 1050kg/140ps = 136bhp/ton
    Base spec MX-5: 975kg/131ps = 136bhp/ton

    Notice the pattern here? That exact same bhp/ton YET AGAIN. Mazda and Fiat have clearly agreed on these specs as to not make one version more appealing than the other for now. Much like we saw with the Subaru/Toyota BRZ/GT-86.

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    Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
    « Reply #110 on: March 17, 2016, 11:31:23 pm »
    As the engines from Fiat have existed in that state of tune for a while I doubt that's nothing more than a coincidence.

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    Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
    « Reply #111 on: March 18, 2016, 12:55:12 pm »
    I don't think it is at all in all honesty. There is more to this joint venture than meets the eye I reckon. I just hope Abarth have some movement in future to up the power of the 124 and make it a plausible purchase or a Guiletta/used Guila if resales are terrible will be my next purchase ;)
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    Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
    « Reply #112 on: March 18, 2016, 04:49:30 pm »
    Two Roadsters, One Factory, lol.

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    Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
    « Reply #113 on: March 19, 2016, 02:48:50 pm »
    Here is a more "real world" taster of the Monza  :thumb:

    Series 3 Abarth 595 Competizione in Cordolo Red.

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    Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
    « Reply #114 on: March 19, 2016, 04:37:17 pm »
    Nice find :)

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    Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
    « Reply #115 on: March 19, 2016, 06:47:30 pm »
    Glad to see it has the Abarth tone!!  ;D

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    Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
    « Reply #116 on: March 19, 2016, 07:44:57 pm »
    Sounds very Abarth! I'm warming to the 124 . But as others have said its expensive. Played around on the configuration and it was £31 k !! I'll stick with my 180 comp !
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