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Offline misterg

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Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
« Reply #75 on: March 01, 2016, 11:44:55 pm »
Last April I was going to trade my 5 year old 15k A500 for a Comp 160. Came within £100 of agreeing a deal, but the dealer wouldn't budge, so it fell through. 2 days later the pricing of the new MX5 was announced and it was too good to ignore. Put a deposit down on a 2L Sport and took delivery in September. Was meant to trade the A500 for it but couldn’t bring myself to do it, so spent the summer clearing out the garage.

The long term plan was to trade both the MX5 and A500 for the 124 Abarth in a couple of years time…………………………….….not anymore.

I’ve worked through the configurator and spec for spec the 124 Abarth is almost £8k more than the MX5 2L Sport Nav. The Bose system that’s included on the MX5 is a £760 option on the Abarth 124.

Handling wise, the MX5 is every bit as good as the reviews say it is and the performance feels faster than the 7.3s to 60 that the official figures state. (The new MX5 is 100kg lighter than the previous one, has the same power as the previous one and yet they quote the same 0 – 60 time as the previous one – how does that work?)

The A124 has a lighter, smaller capacity turbo engine with more torque - it will undoubtedly be an exciting car to drive. It will also sound much better than the MX5.

But at £31k it doesn’t stand a chance in the market and will be a rare sight on the roads. The 124 was originally meant to be an Alfa Spider before FCA changed their mind. I’m guessing that the pricing reflects the original business case and costing.

I do hope that the revised A500 doesn’t adopt the same overly optimistic pricing when it’s launched later in the year. I’ve now got a 6 year old A500 with 18k miles that will need to be replaced sometime – although I’m not in a hurry anymore.

Not to mention the MX5's global cult following and good reputation (especially compared to Fiat - rightly or wrongly!) and the fact Abarth is still very much a niche brand does not bode that well for the A124 - even if the magazine reviews are favourable - it's a lot of money for a car few will know. I think as a design it will also age quite quickly (I think however they did a great job with the 500) it's quite fussy looking with all the details and a lot of the vents around the car look like they serve no purpose (can't tell from the photos if they are real or not!). It's a shame Alfa didn't go with the Spider as that could have been a great car and would have fit in this price bracket....I want Abarth to do well but this seems more of a marketing exercise!
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    Offline Bristol_Rich

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    Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
    « Reply #76 on: March 02, 2016, 07:19:18 am »
    The other issue I have with the pricing is the support network.

    If I buy a car which is priced at the higher end of the scale then I'd expect a quality support network that goes with it. 

    My experience over the years of what oil grade confusion, service interval confusion, parts on multiple weeks back order and confusion set about dealerships and owners because "its italian" simply wont cut it. 

    Its priced as a premium product, with premium priced servicing.... so I'd like a quality and reliable service please.

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    Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
    « Reply #77 on: March 02, 2016, 08:54:02 am »
    I apologize, beforehand, for not being word-perfect in English. I'm half Italian, half Norwegian and working in Sweden.

    I'm not overly concerned with the pricing, as it's a list price. In Italy there's already a discount for the model, when prebooking: 36.000 instead of 40.000 euros.

    Typically, in Sweden/Germany/Italy (don't know about UK), the stock prices after a couple of months' are undercutting list prices with about 14%. Then you get another 3-5% off bargaining with your dealer.

    Working as a CMO in a smiliar field i know that for small brands like Abarth this is a part of the calculation. You set a high list price to obtain that premium feeling, and then you sell for much less. If you are lucky that someone would order a high spec version at list price.....

    Abarth off course have high margains to begin with. This car is based on a much cheaper Fiat, and using an engine from an Alfa Romeo Mito. The other additions came at a price, but nothing extreme where added.

    This car will be on sale from September, and in Februari 2017 I'm sure you can get a stock car for 25.000£. Even though it's limiting your choices, theres not many offered from start.

    The only thing that is dissapointing is the engine. A "standard" engine from a Mito has no place in an Abarth IMHO. I think the engine has potential, and I'm sure we will see a version with +200hp pretty soon.
    The dream would be a lower spec version of the 1.8L engine from the 124 Rally. It would surprise me if they created an engine for a car that will sell in 20 examples...

    They will never let the 124 be one of the lowest spec Abarths on the market. The Multiair will ofc be the new engine also in a500, as it's also weighing less. They then need to bump figures, otherwise the next generation Abarth will offer less hp than the former.....unthinkable.

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    Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
    « Reply #78 on: March 02, 2016, 09:32:15 am »
    I'm not convinced the 124 should even be an Abarth. OK for Fiat to do the 124, but the Abarth bit just seems rather phoney. Offering the Fiat 124 with either the 138MA or the 170MA would have been more honest. Both engines are used in the Mito range. The components and cost of these two engines are likely to be very similar. The price difference between the Mito 140 and 170 is very modest.

    Someone mentioned the abundance of fake vents all over the car. To me it looks like the vents on each wheel arch are nothing more than fillers and the location and shape is exactly right for the mandatory reflectors to to fitted on the US version. No need to make two bumpers.

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    Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
    « Reply #79 on: March 02, 2016, 11:07:04 pm »
    Price is going to be the main stumbling point  :thumbd:

    I like the looks but thats just stupid money
    If they cant convince abarth fanatics to pay it how will they convince the general public  :crazy:

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    Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
    « Reply #80 on: March 03, 2016, 12:17:07 am »
    So abarth finance are quoting £299 per month for the 124 compared to £249 for the comp. (not sure on what deposit is and how this changes payments).  But yes that's into Ford RS territory Hmm. I guess I'd had thought £24,000 for the basic car and £28-29,000 for an SS version around 220hp. But what did we expect? It's all about expectations, it is great looking car and I'm sure it's better in the flesh.  Abarth is a bit niche so I'm sure it'll remain pretty exclusive.

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    Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
    « Reply #81 on: March 03, 2016, 08:46:25 am »
    So abarth finance are quoting £299 per month for the 124 compared to £249 for the comp.

    My rough guess for that figure you are going to need an 8k deposit on PCP, over 48 months with a final payment 12k to own the car.

    Focus RS is approx £10k down for them sort of figures, although the RS will certainly hold its value better simply because of the following the RS range has.

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    Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
    « Reply #82 on: March 04, 2016, 09:06:35 am »
    I was just reading an interview with the brand manager, Paolo Gagliardo. Apparently the 300hp engine in the rally version is sourced directly from the Alfa Romeo 4C, but heavily modified. In fact it would not meet the requirments for a road legal Abarth.

    In turn this mean that we will never see a 1.75/1.8L engine in the "normal" 124 Abarth. The engine in the 4C will probably remain 240hp (which is quite enough) and using the same engine in a cheaper Abarth would be surpricing.

    They will never alow the 124 Abarth to come close to the 4C in terms of performance, considering they are both roadsters.
    As the 4C is doing the sprint in 4.5 this will never be a problem using a 1.4L multiair engine.

    I reckon we will, sooner or later, se a lighter version with about 200-210hp. Maybe the same engine will fit in a new 695 Biposto.

    A version doing the sprint at sub 6s, and an optional hard top, and I'll buy it, At least if they keep it at under 35K.

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    Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
    « Reply #83 on: March 04, 2016, 02:14:04 pm »
    So abarth finance are quoting £299 per month for the 124 compared to £249 for the comp.

    My rough guess for that figure you are going to need an 8k deposit on PCP, over 48 months with a final payment 12k to own the car.

    Focus RS is approx £10k down for them sort of figures, although the RS will certainly hold its value better simply because of the following the RS range has.

    If you read the small print it says:

    *Above rental based on Abarth 124 Spider 1.4 T-Jet 170hp Manual on Personal Contract Hire, with an initial rental of £6,877, followed by 47 monthly rentals of £299. Rentals shown above include VAT and exclude maintenance, and are based on 6,000 miles per annum. Excess mileage charges apply. Vehicles must be ordered by 30th June 2016

    My only issue with this is its rental not purchase. So you Have to give the car back after 48 months... Id like to see what their purchase plans are like. Still getting tempted to a 595 comp but equally getting tempted to a lesser 595 or 500 and remapping/modding it.

    I have also been sent by my local Abarth dealership and they say it wont be released until September!

    Thank you for enquiring about a Abarth 124 Spider.

    The vehicle is not actually due to release until September, but we would like to provide you with more information about the vehicle, the latest offers and to offer you a test drive and therefore will contact you closer to the time.
    « Last Edit: March 04, 2016, 02:15:35 pm by Freebo »

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    Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
    « Reply #84 on: March 04, 2016, 05:23:10 pm »
    The PCP finance package is due within the next week or so.
    They are just sorting the final details now.
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    Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
    « Reply #85 on: March 04, 2016, 09:18:38 pm »
    Will be interested to see the figures  :)

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    Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
    « Reply #86 on: March 04, 2016, 10:30:39 pm »
    Anybody know when we can expect to see both the fiat and abarth versions at a dealer?
    Now with added monza fun :P

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    Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
    « Reply #87 on: March 05, 2016, 10:08:02 am »
    Anybody know when we can expect to see both the fiat and abarth versions at a dealer?

    September for the Abarth

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    Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
    « Reply #88 on: March 05, 2016, 07:31:32 pm »
    The quality isn't great in this video but it is the full version of the unveiling event earlier this week



    Worth a watch!
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    Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
    « Reply #89 on: March 05, 2016, 07:33:40 pm »
    Lewis, any news on the facelift 500 whilst your out there?

    No sign of the facelift 595 at Geneva. The stand had a Black 180 Competizione and a Biposto Record.

    As others have said I think we will get to see the update around June.

    « Last Edit: March 05, 2016, 07:41:30 pm by Lewis »
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