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Abarth Cars => Abarth 124 Spider => Topic started by: Lewis on February 29, 2016, 11:00:30 am

Title: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Lewis on February 29, 2016, 11:00:30 am
Hi all,

I will be going to the Geneva Motorshow on Friday to see the Abarth 124 Spider in the flesh!

I thought it might be good for me to set up a thread for people to put down details of the car they would like to see which don't end up being shown in the press pictures/videos when they are released tomorrow.

Let me know and I will do my best!

Thanks,

Lewis
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: PORTHOS on February 29, 2016, 11:12:08 am
Great stuff Lewis!

Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Lewis on February 29, 2016, 05:51:14 pm
Good call Porthos - I'll seek those bits out.

In other news - this is a picture from Geneva today  :thumb:
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: John501 on February 29, 2016, 06:55:34 pm
You've made a hole for yourself there Lewis, Asking Porthos what he wants to see on the car  :hysteria: :hysteria: :hysteria:
Best you take extra batteries, memory cards, another couple of cameras and a sketch book incase the first lot run out.........  :devil:
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Lewis on February 29, 2016, 07:12:17 pm
You've made a hole for yourself there Lewis, Asking Porthos what he wants to see on the car  :hysteria: :hysteria: :hysteria:
Best you take extra batteries, memory cards, another couple of cameras and a sketch book incase the first lot run out.........  :devil:

Haha! I am there for two days primarily for that reason!   :thumb:

My drawing skills go as far as stick men so we can probably count that medium out!  :whistle:
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: PORTHOS on February 29, 2016, 11:31:58 pm
Little bit of wee just came out......

I hope it's Black.  Lol.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Andrew on March 01, 2016, 10:04:50 am
Here it is -

Picture credit @harry_evo
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Brian1612 on March 01, 2016, 10:07:11 am
A lot of wee just came out. Hope it gets more power tho!
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Brian1612 on March 01, 2016, 10:08:49 am
https://youtu.be/MXuz4QM2QCA
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: flutes on March 01, 2016, 10:12:35 am
Multiair tuned to 170. I'm excited.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: PORTHOS on March 01, 2016, 10:16:40 am
It's perfect, lol......
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Brian1612 on March 01, 2016, 10:20:55 am
The WRC has a 1.8L with up to 300 bhp... It looks immense as well. Please abarth bring that 1.8L into the production car... :O
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: JKDesign80 on March 01, 2016, 10:22:35 am
Looks fantastic!

Prices from 40K (EUROS) Europe wide.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: adw1979 on March 01, 2016, 10:23:29 am
Is this the WRC version??
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: adw1979 on March 01, 2016, 10:26:12 am
Just saw this vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4Cv8ANUDR8
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: adw1979 on March 01, 2016, 10:29:13 am
Outside it looks stunning.
Can you get some interior pics? Does it have sabelts?
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Brian1612 on March 01, 2016, 10:35:14 am
Interior also looks fantastic. Red centre within the seats, Abarth across it and suede looking material across the dash, steering wheel is stunning also. Think a 40k Euros starting price is steep though for the performance. Car visually is fantastic, performance is well short of my expectations though, bring the 1.8L to the production model, give it some proper power and a 0-62 befitting to it and it's my next car but this 170 bhp model, it's a bit meh under the hood sadly. :(
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: adw1979 on March 01, 2016, 10:42:59 am
Agreed Brian 40K euros is about £30K. The MX5 starts at under £20K. I know they say Abarth is premium but £10K over im not sure about that.
But a part of me wants this badly

Found some more pics online, even a red 124.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: adw1979 on March 01, 2016, 10:43:40 am
Red
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: adw1979 on March 01, 2016, 10:44:10 am
Red 2
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Brian1612 on March 01, 2016, 10:50:44 am
White is my favorite so far but the red also looks excellent. Really annoyed they didn't just go all out with this. Surely the 1.8L is going to be an option in the future, de-tuned of course?

This 170bhp model if anymore than maybe 23k base is a rip off in my mind for the performance. It looks pretty but that isn't all we wanted in this car. The 1.8L with 220bhp should come, likely dropping its 0-62 well into the 5s range and start the price at 26-27k. So annoyed they haven't pulled out the stops here as the car looks and sounds great as expected, they have purposefully limited performance tho to charge more later on in what is likely already an overpriced car... :(
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: PORTHOS on March 01, 2016, 11:00:36 am
I'm definitely more worried about the price, lol.

Considering it's a new platform, much like the 135bhp 500 was, it will take them a few revisions and a few years of road testing before they start unleashing the more powerful variants, just look at what we have now, 190bhp 7 years later from the first Abarth 500. And look at the suspension revisions they have done over the years. This will play out the same.

But at the moment, as much as I LOVE this car, it needs to be cheaper than a Focus RS or a Civic Type-R, otherwise I can't see many people buying one above 28k, when you can get a 180 comp for 20k which has a slightly better power to weight ratio.... and obviously an extra 2 seats.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Brian1612 on March 01, 2016, 11:04:18 am
Sums it up perfectly ^ Almost intentionally held the car back I feel and that really annoys me.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: adw1979 on March 01, 2016, 11:06:07 am
I can see this being the base model and in another 6 months to a year an SS version being released. Like they did with the 500.

Probably with an added cost of £3-4K, which will give you more power say 20BHP, bigger brakes, better suspension, wheels and sabelt seats etc.
Based on the £30K (40K Euros)  base price will push the price up to £34K.

Its getting pricey, could they price themselves out of a lot of sales? I think so.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: misterg on March 01, 2016, 11:06:40 am
Sorry Gents but I am not convinced by the Spider - I dont think it is true to the original (being based on the MX5) maybe its on of these you need to see in the flesh to appreciate and in the 'right' colour but I dont like it in side profile (compared to the MX5) and that price is ridiculous - this seems like nothing more than a money making marketing exercise with some tenacious links to the original.  For £31K (i'm sure there will be some more options required) you are talking Focus RS, Golf R and Honda Civic Type R money!!!  Maybe the coupe will change my mind and seeing it in the flesh but the MX5 would probably be a better (and cheaper and easier to upgrade!) bet....
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Brian1612 on March 01, 2016, 11:08:05 am
I certainly won't be looking at one at that sort of price as much as I love the car. They have shot themselves in the foot here big time. Will have to wait on the UK prices being released but currently don't see my next car being an Abarth sadly at this rate... :(
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Brian1612 on March 01, 2016, 11:09:38 am
It's half way there to being as silly as buying a Biposto as a daily...
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: adw1979 on March 01, 2016, 11:11:39 am
Lets hope they surprise us and its on sale at £23K or under for base model.
They did surprise me with the new 595 180Hp for under £20K, price only went up £1K for the brembos, bigger turbo etc over the old 595.

But I wont hold my breath
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Brian1612 on March 01, 2016, 11:15:57 am
Just read around £31K... there is no way in hell I am spending that as much as I love the Abarth brand and this 124. They just haven't done nearly enough here to demand that sort of price. Gutted.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: adw1979 on March 01, 2016, 11:16:59 am
Brian, is that price confirmed?
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Bristol_Rich on March 01, 2016, 11:19:00 am
Doing man maths I reckon a new ND MX5 + BBR conversion is cheaper than the £30K asking price.  Plus I'm still struggling with the marmite looks...

I'm (affraid to say) out on this one....
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Brian1612 on March 01, 2016, 11:19:17 am
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-geneva-motor-show/abarth-124-spider-makes-debut-geneva-motor-show

Just mentioned in this article. Think they are just basing it on the 40k Euros base price. The 500 range converts from Euro's to £££ in similar fashion so expect a 30k price tag :O
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: adw1979 on March 01, 2016, 11:22:30 am
So an SS version later down the line will be £34K or more? Wow thats crazy money
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: adw1979 on March 01, 2016, 11:23:10 am
Lewis, any news on the facelift 500 whilst your out there?
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Brian1612 on March 01, 2016, 11:24:42 am
Looks like that is in the final stages of testing, saw a few more spy shots on it yesterday.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: adw1979 on March 01, 2016, 11:25:50 am
or an Abarth 500x ( lots of rumors about that )
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: PORTHOS on March 01, 2016, 11:27:40 am
Looks like that is in the final stages of testing, saw a few more spy shots on it yesterday.

Rumour for that facelift 595 is June at some point :) Again, gotta love a rumour, ha ha.

Nissan 370z by the way gets to 60 under 6 seconds, looks great, bit heavy but again those start at 26k, so Abarth need to think long and hard about the UK price.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: adw1979 on March 01, 2016, 11:29:55 am
base Audi TT starts at £27K and the roadster at under £29K
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: PORTHOS on March 01, 2016, 11:33:45 am
base Audi TT starts at £27K and the roadster at under £29K

Exactly, plenty of examples why Abarth need to price this 25k and under to make any sort of sense.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Bristol_Rich on March 01, 2016, 11:45:18 am
Plus the coupe/roadster market will be soon getting more competitive with the likes of the Honda S660 and S2000, the Toyota S-FR and its established GT86, Opel sniffing about with its GT roadster concept "thing" as well as the already established MX5 and any future enhancements planned for that...
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Grigio595 on March 01, 2016, 11:52:47 am
It's very nice, but got to agree it's overpriced. That shouldn't come as a surprise though really.

I assume the engine is lifted straight from the Mito QV 170 which generally can be had new for around £17-18K. They do have to ship the engines out to Japan of course, but that's their decision.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Brian1612 on March 01, 2016, 11:58:59 am
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-geneva-motor-show/abarth-goes-back-motorsport-new-124-rally-car

If it's going to cost mid 30k for a Esseesse spec car, thats the engine and 220 bhp performance it should be coming with ;)
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: benn on March 01, 2016, 12:37:22 pm
Black bonnet looks awful.

Multi air engine is rubbish.

Top of the range MX5 only costs 25k and the engine is better.

I'm out.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Brian1612 on March 01, 2016, 12:51:18 pm
Looks like the black bonnet etc are a no cost option so no issue there. Remember this is the M/A II engine which is much more reliable, not that the first one wasn't and may force our tuning companies to actually crack them now, considering a good tune gets 200+ easily in the US. The engine in the MX5 certainly isn't better.

My only issue is the possible price tag for the available performance but for me visually, it's way way nicer than the 500s and I have one lol.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: PORTHOS on March 01, 2016, 12:53:30 pm
My only issue is the possible price tag for the available performance but for me visually, it's way way nicer than the 500s and I have one lol.

Snap, it's a stunning car, with a terrible price. Blows anything else I have seen out the water, but that price.... did I mention.. that price, lol.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: benn on March 01, 2016, 12:57:06 pm
There is still barely anyone got any reasonable power out of the Multiair 2 engine. Should of put Tjet in it or the 4c motor.

A little revvy n/a will be better than a crappy 1.4 turbo in that.

Shame really, it had huge potential.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Brian1612 on March 01, 2016, 01:06:04 pm
200+ easily in the US Benn. It's our tuners here that haven't given the engine any research time, this car might force them to spend some time on he engine.

Still the chance of that 1.8L from the Rally version in the future also but I think your wrong about the engine. Every review so far has done nothing but praise the 1.4L and comment how it is better suited than the high revving Mazda engine which has no torque.

The only disappointment is the price and I would agree they should have pushed the performance farther but oh well, no doubt that will come in time. I am not interested in it for now. 
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: PORTHOS on March 01, 2016, 01:09:34 pm
MX-5 been winning awards left right and centre, it just needed more poke, this 124 has it, it should be a sensation to drive, but that price.....
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: 124Abarthreplica on March 01, 2016, 01:19:32 pm
What price is that?
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: benn on March 01, 2016, 01:25:05 pm
Still the chance of that 1.8L from the Rally version in the future also but I think your wrong about the engine. Every review so far has done nothing but praise the 1.4L and comment how it is better suited than the high revving Mazda engine which has no torque.

7k though for 0.5 seconds quicker 0-60 and 10mph top speed. Thats a lot of change and in the real world would barely see a difference on the road.

It does look great though but then again so does the new mx5.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: PORTHOS on March 01, 2016, 01:44:53 pm
I'm sure they are sticking Multiair in the new abarth 500 models, so people better get used to that engine.

The Abarth 124 has 50Nm more torque than the 2.0 MX-5 engine, and we all know what difference just 20Nm made on the 180 comp across the whole rev range, not just for peak horse power.

The price is the only problem atm.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Brian1612 on March 01, 2016, 02:02:04 pm
I can't argue the price. We don't know yet, we can only assume from the Euro price that converts to £31kish that it isn't going to be far off that. I like the new MX-5 but it looks cute compared to this thing. Performance or price is the issue, one either should be much more or one should be much less, either way both are the issue when compared to each other.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: adw1979 on March 01, 2016, 02:19:11 pm
According to Top Gear it will cost £29,950.
Here is the link

http://www.topgear.com/car-news/geneva-motor-show/abarths-124-spider-here-and-theres-300bhp-rally-version
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Grigio595 on March 01, 2016, 02:41:46 pm
I'm sure they are sticking Multiair in the new abarth 500 models, so people better get used to that engine.

The Abarth 124 has 50Nm more torque than the 2.0 MX-5 engine, and we all know what difference just 20Nm made on the 180 comp across the whole rev range, not just for peak horse power.

The price is the only problem atm.

Curious as to why they'd put the MA in the next 500 Abarth. The MA has been around since at least 2009/2010.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Brian1612 on March 01, 2016, 02:53:37 pm
They want to push the engine to all models, they spent a fortune developing it. It is a better engine for figures/economy. The only reason we in the UK don't like it is our tuners haven't bothered to crack it yet. Make it a wide spread engine and they will be forced to like the US tuners were, they now get 200+ bhp easily. Should add my Punto Evo Esseesse got 190 bhp from just a TMC box so it ain't so bad as people make out.

Good move I think if they do.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Freebo on March 01, 2016, 03:35:08 pm
Hey, not been on here for a while since selling my Supersport. The Abarth 124 certianly has raised my eyebrows and has got my heart going. Certianly up until I saw the price. Like many have said before, if it comes in around £30k you may as well look at the Golf R or the Focus RS.

May be coming back to the Abarth fold at some point. If the 124 dream fizzles I may be after a 595 Comp. They are really tempting me at the moment!
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: adw1979 on March 01, 2016, 04:09:27 pm
Abarth have a configurator online guys.
http://www.abarthcars.co.uk/124_spider/configurator-abarth
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: runforthehills on March 01, 2016, 04:16:36 pm
£30k for 170hp  ???

I don't think so!

Plus nothing like enough options for personalisation on the configurator.

Not tempted I'm afraid.

Cheers
Martin
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Brian1612 on March 01, 2016, 04:39:53 pm
Price is truly ridiculous. I'd take the basic Biposto's kicking about at 30k before one of these!
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Freebo on March 01, 2016, 04:46:59 pm
Ah its working now, yea £30k, how many do you think they expect to sell?  :thumbd:
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Grigio595 on March 01, 2016, 04:56:27 pm
 The paint is very expensive for half a car.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: JKDesign80 on March 01, 2016, 05:06:00 pm
Looks like Abarth are not trying to appeal to the average buyer with this, which is a shame.

Will it appeal to the kind of people who bought Tributos, Bipostos etc. Not so sure...
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: fizzio on March 01, 2016, 06:16:54 pm
I'm not sure about this. So far not impressed but would have to see one in the flesh. Can't see me getting one love my 180 comp hatch so much
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Richard H on March 01, 2016, 06:19:28 pm
Could be tempted, we'll two cars though....
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: benn on March 01, 2016, 07:12:29 pm
£34k fully loaded LOL!
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Conor1939 on March 01, 2016, 07:27:13 pm
Wonder what sort of monthly PCP prices we could expect for 30k
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Chip2257 on March 01, 2016, 07:33:05 pm
Sorry to say, the looks, price or performance aren't enough to make me give up the lotus :(
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Salvos_White_Abarth on March 01, 2016, 07:41:36 pm
The price of the a500 when it 1st came out was brilliant. not much more than a  fiat 500 sport.

this will just price people out. 25k base would be great.30 is abit much..shame
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: fpan on March 01, 2016, 08:11:59 pm
Sorry Gents but I am not convinced by the Spider - I dont think it is true to the original (being based on the MX5) maybe its on of these you need to see in the flesh to appreciate and in the 'right' colour but I dont like it in side profile (compared to the MX5) and that price is ridiculous - this seems like nothing more than a money making marketing exercise with some tenacious links to the original.  For £31K (i'm sure there will be some more options required) you are talking Focus RS, Golf R and Honda Civic Type R money!!!  Maybe the coupe will change my mind and seeing it in the flesh but the MX5 would probably be a better (and cheaper and easier to upgrade!) bet....

You couldn't have put it better.
Although beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all this , a chav could have done a better job I reckon than this 2-tone paint and if it really costs £31k then Abarth is looking for "victims", sorry but there are other much better choices out there for this money and everything has a limit about how much expected to pay.
Unfortunately marketing and designers know how to make you want someting ...
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Brian1612 on March 01, 2016, 08:14:49 pm
It's 29.5k base price. Configurator has confirmed it. Add the upgraded aound system and the £1250 led lights!!!!! And your over 31k with the standard black paint option. They are having a laugh.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Brian1612 on March 01, 2016, 08:16:41 pm
Just thinking. Could Mazda have an input on the pricing of this car? They are building it at their own plant after all. Just a thought...
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Grigio595 on March 01, 2016, 08:54:03 pm
I can't work out what part of the car is making it so expensive. Not the engine. Available in the Mito for years. Monza exhaust, nothing new, no Sabelts. It doesn't really add up. The heritage is at best weak.
Abarth will struggle if they think that many of their core customers who have bought Puntos, 135's, 160's & 180's would be willing to change up to the 124. Maybe they are not expecting a large volume of sales.
 
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: fpan on March 01, 2016, 09:47:40 pm
Judging by how well the 500 has sold (ditto different clientele) who knows.
i thought about mazda affecting the price if they do kudos to them, after all the car is a Mazda really anf Abarth is lookimg at  quick cash in.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Brian1612 on March 01, 2016, 09:54:10 pm
Didn't FCA fund quite a bit of the development though for the new mx-5? If that was the case wouldn't be very fair that they can dictate pricing of the fiat/abarth model.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: geobro on March 01, 2016, 10:40:50 pm
Last April I was going to trade my 5 year old 15k A500 for a Comp 160. Came within £100 of agreeing a deal, but the dealer wouldn't budge, so it fell through. 2 days later the pricing of the new MX5 was announced and it was too good to ignore. Put a deposit down on a 2L Sport and took delivery in September. Was meant to trade the A500 for it but couldn’t bring myself to do it, so spent the summer clearing out the garage.

The long term plan was to trade both the MX5 and A500 for the 124 Abarth in a couple of years time…………………………….….not anymore.

I’ve worked through the configurator and spec for spec the 124 Abarth is almost £8k more than the MX5 2L Sport Nav. The Bose system that’s included on the MX5 is a £760 option on the Abarth 124.

Handling wise, the MX5 is every bit as good as the reviews say it is and the performance feels faster than the 7.3s to 60 that the official figures state. (The new MX5 is 100kg lighter than the previous one, has the same power as the previous one and yet they quote the same 0 – 60 time as the previous one – how does that work?)

The A124 has a lighter, smaller capacity turbo engine with more torque - it will undoubtedly be an exciting car to drive. It will also sound much better than the MX5.

But at £31k it doesn’t stand a chance in the market and will be a rare sight on the roads. The 124 was originally meant to be an Alfa Spider before FCA changed their mind. I’m guessing that the pricing reflects the original business case and costing.

I do hope that the revised A500 doesn’t adopt the same overly optimistic pricing when it’s launched later in the year. I’ve now got a 6 year old A500 with 18k miles that will need to be replaced sometime – although I’m not in a hurry anymore.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: misterg on March 01, 2016, 11:44:55 pm
Last April I was going to trade my 5 year old 15k A500 for a Comp 160. Came within £100 of agreeing a deal, but the dealer wouldn't budge, so it fell through. 2 days later the pricing of the new MX5 was announced and it was too good to ignore. Put a deposit down on a 2L Sport and took delivery in September. Was meant to trade the A500 for it but couldn’t bring myself to do it, so spent the summer clearing out the garage.

The long term plan was to trade both the MX5 and A500 for the 124 Abarth in a couple of years time…………………………….….not anymore.

I’ve worked through the configurator and spec for spec the 124 Abarth is almost £8k more than the MX5 2L Sport Nav. The Bose system that’s included on the MX5 is a £760 option on the Abarth 124.

Handling wise, the MX5 is every bit as good as the reviews say it is and the performance feels faster than the 7.3s to 60 that the official figures state. (The new MX5 is 100kg lighter than the previous one, has the same power as the previous one and yet they quote the same 0 – 60 time as the previous one – how does that work?)

The A124 has a lighter, smaller capacity turbo engine with more torque - it will undoubtedly be an exciting car to drive. It will also sound much better than the MX5.

But at £31k it doesn’t stand a chance in the market and will be a rare sight on the roads. The 124 was originally meant to be an Alfa Spider before FCA changed their mind. I’m guessing that the pricing reflects the original business case and costing.

I do hope that the revised A500 doesn’t adopt the same overly optimistic pricing when it’s launched later in the year. I’ve now got a 6 year old A500 with 18k miles that will need to be replaced sometime – although I’m not in a hurry anymore.

Not to mention the MX5's global cult following and good reputation (especially compared to Fiat - rightly or wrongly!) and the fact Abarth is still very much a niche brand does not bode that well for the A124 - even if the magazine reviews are favourable - it's a lot of money for a car few will know. I think as a design it will also age quite quickly (I think however they did a great job with the 500) it's quite fussy looking with all the details and a lot of the vents around the car look like they serve no purpose (can't tell from the photos if they are real or not!). It's a shame Alfa didn't go with the Spider as that could have been a great car and would have fit in this price bracket....I want Abarth to do well but this seems more of a marketing exercise!
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Bristol_Rich on March 02, 2016, 07:19:18 am
The other issue I have with the pricing is the support network.

If I buy a car which is priced at the higher end of the scale then I'd expect a quality support network that goes with it. 

My experience over the years of what oil grade confusion, service interval confusion, parts on multiple weeks back order and confusion set about dealerships and owners because "its italian" simply wont cut it. 

Its priced as a premium product, with premium priced servicing.... so I'd like a quality and reliable service please.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Palazzi on March 02, 2016, 08:54:02 am
I apologize, beforehand, for not being word-perfect in English. I'm half Italian, half Norwegian and working in Sweden.

I'm not overly concerned with the pricing, as it's a list price. In Italy there's already a discount for the model, when prebooking: 36.000 instead of 40.000 euros.

Typically, in Sweden/Germany/Italy (don't know about UK), the stock prices after a couple of months' are undercutting list prices with about 14%. Then you get another 3-5% off bargaining with your dealer.

Working as a CMO in a smiliar field i know that for small brands like Abarth this is a part of the calculation. You set a high list price to obtain that premium feeling, and then you sell for much less. If you are lucky that someone would order a high spec version at list price.....

Abarth off course have high margains to begin with. This car is based on a much cheaper Fiat, and using an engine from an Alfa Romeo Mito. The other additions came at a price, but nothing extreme where added.

This car will be on sale from September, and in Februari 2017 I'm sure you can get a stock car for 25.000£. Even though it's limiting your choices, theres not many offered from start.

The only thing that is dissapointing is the engine. A "standard" engine from a Mito has no place in an Abarth IMHO. I think the engine has potential, and I'm sure we will see a version with +200hp pretty soon.
The dream would be a lower spec version of the 1.8L engine from the 124 Rally. It would surprise me if they created an engine for a car that will sell in 20 examples...

They will never let the 124 be one of the lowest spec Abarths on the market. The Multiair will ofc be the new engine also in a500, as it's also weighing less. They then need to bump figures, otherwise the next generation Abarth will offer less hp than the former.....unthinkable.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Grigio595 on March 02, 2016, 09:32:15 am
I'm not convinced the 124 should even be an Abarth. OK for Fiat to do the 124, but the Abarth bit just seems rather phoney. Offering the Fiat 124 with either the 138MA or the 170MA would have been more honest. Both engines are used in the Mito range. The components and cost of these two engines are likely to be very similar. The price difference between the Mito 140 and 170 is very modest.

Someone mentioned the abundance of fake vents all over the car. To me it looks like the vents on each wheel arch are nothing more than fillers and the location and shape is exactly right for the mandatory reflectors to to fitted on the US version. No need to make two bumpers.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Trooper on March 02, 2016, 11:07:04 pm
Price is going to be the main stumbling point  :thumbd:

I like the looks but thats just stupid money
If they cant convince abarth fanatics to pay it how will they convince the general public  :crazy:
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: A64RTH on March 03, 2016, 12:17:07 am
So abarth finance are quoting £299 per month for the 124 compared to £249 for the comp. (not sure on what deposit is and how this changes payments).  But yes that's into Ford RS territory Hmm. I guess I'd had thought £24,000 for the basic car and £28-29,000 for an SS version around 220hp. But what did we expect? It's all about expectations, it is great looking car and I'm sure it's better in the flesh.  Abarth is a bit niche so I'm sure it'll remain pretty exclusive.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: benn on March 03, 2016, 08:46:25 am
So abarth finance are quoting £299 per month for the 124 compared to £249 for the comp.

My rough guess for that figure you are going to need an 8k deposit on PCP, over 48 months with a final payment 12k to own the car.

Focus RS is approx £10k down for them sort of figures, although the RS will certainly hold its value better simply because of the following the RS range has.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Palazzi on March 04, 2016, 09:06:35 am
I was just reading an interview with the brand manager, Paolo Gagliardo. Apparently the 300hp engine in the rally version is sourced directly from the Alfa Romeo 4C, but heavily modified. In fact it would not meet the requirments for a road legal Abarth.

In turn this mean that we will never see a 1.75/1.8L engine in the "normal" 124 Abarth. The engine in the 4C will probably remain 240hp (which is quite enough) and using the same engine in a cheaper Abarth would be surpricing.

They will never alow the 124 Abarth to come close to the 4C in terms of performance, considering they are both roadsters.
As the 4C is doing the sprint in 4.5 this will never be a problem using a 1.4L multiair engine.

I reckon we will, sooner or later, se a lighter version with about 200-210hp. Maybe the same engine will fit in a new 695 Biposto.

A version doing the sprint at sub 6s, and an optional hard top, and I'll buy it, At least if they keep it at under 35K.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Freebo on March 04, 2016, 02:14:04 pm
So abarth finance are quoting £299 per month for the 124 compared to £249 for the comp.

My rough guess for that figure you are going to need an 8k deposit on PCP, over 48 months with a final payment 12k to own the car.

Focus RS is approx £10k down for them sort of figures, although the RS will certainly hold its value better simply because of the following the RS range has.

If you read the small print it says:

*Above rental based on Abarth 124 Spider 1.4 T-Jet 170hp Manual on Personal Contract Hire, with an initial rental of £6,877, followed by 47 monthly rentals of £299. Rentals shown above include VAT and exclude maintenance, and are based on 6,000 miles per annum. Excess mileage charges apply. Vehicles must be ordered by 30th June 2016

My only issue with this is its rental not purchase. So you Have to give the car back after 48 months... Id like to see what their purchase plans are like. Still getting tempted to a 595 comp but equally getting tempted to a lesser 595 or 500 and remapping/modding it.

I have also been sent by my local Abarth dealership and they say it wont be released until September!

Thank you for enquiring about a Abarth 124 Spider.

The vehicle is not actually due to release until September, but we would like to provide you with more information about the vehicle, the latest offers and to offer you a test drive and therefore will contact you closer to the time.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: John501 on March 04, 2016, 05:23:10 pm
The PCP finance package is due within the next week or so.
They are just sorting the final details now.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Trooper on March 04, 2016, 09:18:38 pm
Will be interested to see the figures  :)
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Salvos_White_Abarth on March 04, 2016, 10:30:39 pm
Anybody know when we can expect to see both the fiat and abarth versions at a dealer?
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Palazzi on March 05, 2016, 10:08:02 am
Anybody know when we can expect to see both the fiat and abarth versions at a dealer?

September for the Abarth
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Lewis on March 05, 2016, 07:31:32 pm
The quality isn't great in this video but it is the full version of the unveiling event earlier this week

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLyEmD3xr1I

Worth a watch!
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Lewis on March 05, 2016, 07:33:40 pm
Lewis, any news on the facelift 500 whilst your out there?

No sign of the facelift 595 at Geneva. The stand had a Black 180 Competizione and a Biposto Record.

As others have said I think we will get to see the update around June.

Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Lewis on March 05, 2016, 08:05:42 pm
Having returned from my flying visit to the Geneva Motorshow I thought I would share some of my thoughts on the car.

I don't want to focus too much on what has already been said in this thread and youtube (other than I think its a great car!). I tried to focus on some of the smaller details which haven't been picked up by the motoring press which some of others may (or may not) be curious about.

 I will add pictures below to go with my comments  (plus a few tasty pics of the interior of the 124 Rally) :thumb:

Engine Bay - I thought the engine cover looked fantastic and gave the car a more premium feel with its Carbon Fibre effect

The Brake discs are four piston Brembos but were not drilled as was the case previously - It's unclear if this is due to these cars just being "show cars" as opposed to the "finished article"

The Scorpion engraving in the arm rest was really cool

A few of the "vents" around the car looked to be more for show as opposed to being real vents

The Black "Heritage" parts on the bonnet and boot are indeed a wrap. However, given that the 124 badge is on the black part I'm not sure how practical it would be to remove the wrap later if desired (others are better placed to answer this question than me!).

Both the driver and passenger sides have metal footwell plates which looked the business

In summary - bring on September!

Lewis

(P.s. Apologies for the quality of the photos. I ended up having to use my phone camera due to some technical issues!)


Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Lewis on March 05, 2016, 08:26:48 pm
Pics  ;D
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Lewis on March 05, 2016, 08:28:18 pm
124 Rally Goodness  :thumb:
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: 124Abarthreplica on March 05, 2016, 08:44:30 pm
Thank you Lewis, excellent. :thumb:

That is one prominent brake lever for cornering  ;D
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: PORTHOS on March 07, 2016, 12:14:47 pm
As above, thanks Lewis, I really like the car a lot! Can't wait to take one for a spin in September :D

The wrap is a no cost option apparently atm, so you can order them without apparently if needed which is good :)
Taking it off would be easy anyway, just remove the badge behind some trim I imagine.

LOVE the rolled exhaust tips compared to the straight cut tips on the current 595 models.

Looking at the hard top on the rally one, I think it's safe to say that it will eventually make it's way to a road version, it has to surely if they can provide it as a rally spec, I'm assuming that top was removable?
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: misterg on March 07, 2016, 01:07:12 pm
As above, thanks Lewis, I really like the car a lot! Can't wait to take one for a spin in September :D

The wrap is a no cost option apparently atm, so you can order them without apparently if needed which is good :)
Taking it off would be easy anyway, just remove the badge behind some trim I imagine.

LOVE the rolled exhaust tips compared to the straight cut tips on the current 595 models.

Looking at the hard top on the rally one, I think it's safe to say that it will eventually make it's way to a road version, it has to surely if they can provide it as a rally spec, I'm assuming that top was removable?

Noooooooooooooo!!! The rolled tips are horrid! They look like Halfords exhaust ends! I LOVE the straight cut look (but of course that's just my humble opinion  :whistle: )
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: PORTHOS on March 07, 2016, 04:47:22 pm
Side note.... that air box position is perfect for a quality RAM intake system...... mmmmmmm.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Salvos_White_Abarth on March 08, 2016, 06:31:46 pm
whats with the fake side air  vents ?:S
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: runforthehills on March 08, 2016, 07:22:54 pm
I agree - completely compromises the "brand" image - along with the wraps.

Just shows that it's a cynical marketing exercise by Fiat suits and really turns me off the brand I'm afraid.

Very disappointing as it could have been so much better :(

Cheers
Martin
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: PORTHOS on March 08, 2016, 07:26:13 pm
whats with the fake side air  vents ?:S

As someone said, it's probably where the orange reflectors go on the USA models. I have my eye on what BHP the USA are getting in their Abarth version considering their Fiat 124 is already 160.....  :whistle:  (Possibly revealed at NY Auto show in a few weeks time?)

I wont be too pleased if they get 200 right out the box, in fact I don't think anyone apart from the USA will.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Palazzi on March 09, 2016, 09:28:09 am
whats with the fake side air  vents ?:S

As someone said, it's probably where the orange reflectors go on the USA models. I have my eye on what BHP the USA are getting in their Abarth version considering their Fiat 124 is already 160.....  :whistle:  (Possibly revealed at NY Auto show in a few weeks time?)

I wont be too pleased if they get 200 right out the box, in fact I don't think anyone apart from the USA will.

I guess it will be 180-200bhp...  It can't deliver less than 20bhp extra imho.

We will eventually get the same engine output as it seems to be standard for Abarth to have three (or more) trim  levels. The Abarth 500-series span 50bhp between the standard and the Biposto...

If they would have started with a 200bhp engine in Europe/UK, there would have been no room for improvement. They want to enlong the product life-cycles as much as possible - we've had the Abarth 500 for more than eight years now.

I would guess they will never reach more than 210bhp with a 1.4L multiair.  As standard that is...
It will be more than OK for an Abarth 500 (next gen), an Abarth 124 and an upcoming abarth 500x. Abarth should'nt be a Ferrari.




Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Brian1612 on March 09, 2016, 12:32:50 pm
This^^^ I will happily continue ownership of my 180 Comp until they bring out the more powerful 124 :)
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: PORTHOS on March 09, 2016, 01:49:14 pm
This^^^ I will happily continue ownership of my 180 Comp until they bring out the more powerful 124 :)


:thumb:

+2, I give it a year before they release an Esseesse type version, at least they did with the first 500 :)

Perhaps more choice on wheels and interior's too with Sabelts would be nice :)

Early days obviously for the 124, but I still think it's a good start.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: sandys on March 09, 2016, 02:47:59 pm
Have to say I am warming up to this 124, I really like my MX5 but would like it to have a more rapid feeling like my APESS, just having a turbo engine may do the business, I had been planning to turbo charge my 5 for next season but its a rough old snotter I bought as a RWD learning tool before buying a 4C, until I drove a 4C and found it not so good :( hence thinking about the tuning route but money would be better spent else where on something shiny and new than my knackered old girl.

Regarding power, not so fussy actually, it just needs to be nice and revvy and hold big skids without TC like my 5 and I am good :D A 160bhp RWD Abarth will be much more fun than a 200+bhp FWD Abarth.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Brian1612 on March 10, 2016, 12:26:00 pm
170 Andy ;) and each to to their own, I certainly wouldn't swap it for my 180 comp at the moment ;)
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: PORTHOS on March 17, 2016, 01:36:33 pm
Iv'e been routing though some stats for the Abarth 124 and MX-5 to compare...

Curb weight(kg)/Power(ps)

MX-5 Sport Recaro: 1000kg/160ps
Abarth 124: 1060kg/170ps

Power to weight (ps used as bhp/ton)
Mx-5 Sport Recaro: 163
Abarth 124: 163

So they really are exactly the same power to weight....... ???

I know the 124 has more torque, so probably slightly faster to 60mph, but on paper, there is nothing between them at all interestingly.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Brian1612 on March 17, 2016, 04:50:50 pm
I imagine it puts it power down better as even though it is heavier than a 180 Comp and 10 horses down, only 0.1s slower going by official numbers. Doesn't the MX-5 have stupidly thin tyres? I imagine Abarth would have opted for a wider track if the case.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: PORTHOS on March 17, 2016, 05:15:30 pm
I imagine it puts it power down better as even though it is heavier than a 180 Comp and 10 horses down, only 0.1s slower going by official numbers. Doesn't the MX-5 have stupidly thin tyres? I imagine Abarth would have opted for a wider track if the case.

Actually, the 180 comp is over 1100kg, I weighed it myself recently and even on the Japanese Abarth website they are listed as 1112kg, the Japanese are pretty obsessed with accuracy as well (like me!  ::)) The site even lists the car's gear ratios.

http://www.abarth.jp/abarth595_competizione/

So, take that into account, the bhp/ton of the 180 comp is really 165. But yes, the 124 being RWD should accelerate faster.  Many magazines testing the MX-5 are coming back with sub 6 second 0-60 times (yes really!), the 124 shouldn't be any different with that added torque, perhaps a smudge faster.

MX-5 Alloys are 17x7 which is the same as the 124 as far as I know. They don't need to be so wide because the power isn't that high.

More interesting though, Mazda are teasing the press at the moment with 'new model' rumours. A hard top mx-5 or even a coupe version with a fixed roof possibly?...... we'll find out in 6 days time at the NY Auto Show.  :whistle:

If it's true, I imagine the 124 to follow suit on the same time scale (year after the 124 launch), but who knows!
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: 124Abarthreplica on March 17, 2016, 06:32:18 pm
Iv'e been routing though some stats for the Abarth 124 and MX-5 to compare...

Curb weight(kg)/Power(ps)

MX-5 Sport Recaro: 1000kg/160ps
Abarth 124: 1060kg/170ps

Power to weight (ps used as bhp/ton)
Mx-5 Sport Recaro: 163
Abarth 124: 163

So they really are exactly the same power to weight....... ???

I know the 124 has more torque, so probably slightly faster to 60mph, but on paper, there is nothing between them at all interestingly.

Does not bode well for the Fiat 124 version with 140 bhp :thumbd:
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: PORTHOS on March 17, 2016, 06:51:39 pm
Does not bode well for the Fiat 124 version with 140 bhp :thumbd:

Well, that's the even more interesting bit.....

FIAT 124: 1050kg/140ps = 136bhp/ton
Base spec MX-5: 975kg/131ps = 136bhp/ton

Notice the pattern here? That exact same bhp/ton YET AGAIN. Mazda and Fiat have clearly agreed on these specs as to not make one version more appealing than the other for now. Much like we saw with the Subaru/Toyota BRZ/GT-86.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: sandys on March 17, 2016, 11:31:23 pm
As the engines from Fiat have existed in that state of tune for a while I doubt that's nothing more than a coincidence.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Brian1612 on March 18, 2016, 12:55:12 pm
I don't think it is at all in all honesty. There is more to this joint venture than meets the eye I reckon. I just hope Abarth have some movement in future to up the power of the 124 and make it a plausible purchase or a Guiletta/used Guila if resales are terrible will be my next purchase ;)
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: PORTHOS on March 18, 2016, 04:49:30 pm
Two Roadsters, One Factory, lol.
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Lewis on March 19, 2016, 02:48:50 pm
Here is a more "real world" taster of the Monza  :thumb:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4aVird_Hts
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: PORTHOS on March 19, 2016, 04:37:17 pm
Nice find :)
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: Mgbudd on March 19, 2016, 06:47:30 pm
Glad to see it has the Abarth tone!!  ;D
Title: Re: Abarth 124 - Geneva
Post by: fizzio on March 19, 2016, 07:44:57 pm
Sounds very Abarth! I'm warming to the 124 . But as others have said its expensive. Played around on the configuration and it was £31 k !! I'll stick with my 180 comp !