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Offline daniil1990

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Angel tuning, ITG induction kit
« on: September 10, 2014, 07:21:04 pm »
Hi,

I am wondering if anyone else has had an induction kit put in by angel tuning, I am on the fence and hoping someone else tried this out out or am i going to be the first?

Unfortunately pardon my knowledge im still trying to learn, i spoke to Rob @ angel and he said they do an induction kit for the abarths, its not a cone system, he described it something like this;

Remove old airbox, connect tubing straight to turbo intake which i think leads to a smaller modified airbox which than has a straight outside feed to which a hole is made near where the glass meetings the plastic trimming on the bonnet.

hope that all made sense.

Thank you.

Dan

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    Re: Angel tuning, ITG induction kit
    « Reply #1 on: September 10, 2014, 07:43:17 pm »
    I also found this, they talk about the induction kit

    http://forum.www.google.co.uk.co.uk/archive/index.php/t-966.html

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    Re: Angel tuning, ITG induction kit
    « Reply #2 on: September 11, 2014, 07:30:13 pm »
    Hi there,

    I had my car tuned by Angel about 40k miles ago and love it!

    The induction kit they offer is as follows;
    > ITG foam cone filter enclosed in an aluminium air box. The cold air feed can be routed from the front of the engine bay (I think) or via a hole cut into the scuttle panel (the option I went for).
    Overall this kit is great, it pulls in plenty of cold air which is great for this turbo car, and gives you an average air temp delta of ~ 15-20'C across the intercoolers.
    There are a couple of downsides though, you lose the engine cover, and the Al air box sits directly on the engine leading to some wear on the bonnet heat shield but that's not a show stopper.
    Also the scuttle panel feed creates a lot of cab noise as it's also where the cabin air feed is drawn, so all the whoosing and blow off value noises come in. Now, don't get me wrong, this is great fun but there were times when I just wanted the power without the associated whistles and whooses on the 7am drive to work.

    I've since gone and specc'd up my own induction kit, blocked up the scuttle panel feed and have all the power, minus most of the noise, it's just more restrained induction kit noises coming from under the hood now.

    Attached pics to help.
    Team Dynamics 1.2 Pro Race graphites,
    Bilstein kit,
    Tarox Brake kit - red!
    Remap and ITG Induction

    Now she drives like a TRUE Abarth!

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    Re: Angel tuning, ITG induction kit
    « Reply #3 on: September 11, 2014, 07:32:03 pm »
    Course I realise this applies to the A500 so now 100% relevant but hopefully gives you some idea
    Team Dynamics 1.2 Pro Race graphites,
    Bilstein kit,
    Tarox Brake kit - red!
    Remap and ITG Induction

    Now she drives like a TRUE Abarth!

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    Re: Angel tuning, ITG induction kit
    « Reply #4 on: September 11, 2014, 08:26:59 pm »
    Hi Charlie,

    Thanks for the info, how much did Angel charge you if you dont mind me asking as they said for the induction would be £250 fitted, also i have seen some other induction kits off other members cars and i too was thinking of just getting a custom made up and fitted(was thinking it would be cheaper too).

    with either system did you find it was good at constantly keeping cold air or did it suffer like the cone at drawing hot air in?

    thanks,

    Dan

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    Re: Angel tuning, ITG induction kit
    « Reply #5 on: September 11, 2014, 09:01:01 pm »
    No offence, but that scuttle pan air intake pipe looks like a right after thought... Like something on the back of my tumble dryer! , plus 'cold' air is a load of rubbish , this video has circulated a few times on the forum. But will hopefully help you out. I have the gtt induction kit because a) it is neat b) sounds great but not in your face. Here is a link to the video and a pic of my induction below.  :thumb: 
    Mighty Car Mods - Cold Air Intakes Mythbusted [Tu…:


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    Re: Angel tuning, ITG induction kit
    « Reply #6 on: September 12, 2014, 07:25:26 am »
    Thanks for the link, I have a question though, so if it does close to nothing for max power does it effect reduction of turbo lag and increase torque?

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    Re: Angel tuning, ITG induction kit
    « Reply #7 on: September 12, 2014, 08:52:56 am »
    I doubt it very much even, on proper cars like the skyline, definitely not to the toy engine/ihi turbo in the abarth  :thumb: ,  just go straight for a water/meth kit  :)

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    Re: Angel tuning, ITG induction kit
    « Reply #8 on: September 12, 2014, 02:32:00 pm »
    I have been reading that the test could of been carried out better, people are saying other things needed to be done, like a remap so the engine can calibrate to let in more air? Another thing was the fan they are using was small only about 20mph, what kings of gain to you see when you see 50, 60 70mph?

    I am a bit puzzled because we all know that if you go out early morning we experience better performance from our cars?

    what are peoples thoughts?

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    Re: Angel tuning, ITG induction kit
    « Reply #9 on: September 12, 2014, 02:52:37 pm »
    I have been reading that the test could of been carried out better, people are saying other things needed to be done, like a remap so the engine can calibrate to let in more air? Another thing was the fan they are using was small only about 20mph, what kings of gain to you see when you see 50, 60 70mph?

    I am a bit puzzled because we all know that if you go out early morning we experience better performance from our cars?

    what are peoples thoughts?

    This is  just my opinion of course, and I am also open to other peoples opinions,

    "Other people have saidthe car should be remapped to let in more air",  yes this is correct but still doesn't make a difference if it's warm air or cold air.

    "Going out early morning you experience better performance"  yes this is down to overall temperature of the car and not specifically the temp of the air it's drawing in. 

    So basically to get more performance, you need to keep everything as cool as possible, (this is not a myth it's common knowledge), but to do this you want a bigger intercooler and a meth kit for example, rather than focusing on cool air intakes.

    I mean why would GTT who have been in the forced induction tuning game for donkeys make an induction kit that sat on the top rather than being "cold air fed" if it made a dramatic difference? Just doesn't make sence to me.  ???