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APE SS - Target 230 - 250BHP - how ?
« on: June 30, 2012, 01:42:37 pm »
Very simple this one. Whats the best way to reach is power ?

My guess is TMC, exhaust and induction kit. What do you guys think ?
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    Re: APE SS - Target 230 - 250BHP - how ?
    « Reply #1 on: June 30, 2012, 02:00:46 pm »
    If you had an agp ss then yeah you would achieve those figures with them mods, but the ape seems more restricted for some reason. I'm not sure if it may be the injectors as the agp as has upgraded one when the kit is fitted. Maybe the ape already has these as it already has the turbo.

    Anyway if you have an exhaust make sure you have the downpipe a bigger bore, that's a must.
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    Re: APE SS - Target 230 - 250BHP - how ?
    « Reply #2 on: June 30, 2012, 02:03:22 pm »
    Is methanol injection another possibility?

    I remember GTT doing a kit I believe
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    Re: APE SS - Target 230 - 250BHP - how ?
    « Reply #3 on: June 30, 2012, 02:18:17 pm »
    I'd say buy a different car  :thumb:
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    Re: APE SS - Target 230 - 250BHP - how ?
    « Reply #4 on: June 30, 2012, 02:29:36 pm »
    I'd say buy a different car  :thumb:

    Why would I do that  ???
    My M5 runs around 440bhp and even thats not enough but I love the Abarth brand and my APE SS is superb car but ask any true petrol head, its never enough.
    Surely you should be encouraging me not tell me to go elswhere !
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    Re: APE SS - Target 230 - 250BHP - how ?
    « Reply #5 on: June 30, 2012, 02:50:12 pm »
    For myself the amount of BHP a car has doesn't really matter. My preference if I could afford such a luxury would be to get the car with the best BHP per ton.

    I like the Colin Chapman ethos of 'adding Lightness' to cars. If the EVO, or the AGP's for that matter, were sub 1ton they'd be awesome. A 200BHP car that weights less than a ton is pretty bloody good.

    Give me a Caterham R400 any day, rather than a 2 ton 400 BHP monstrosity.

    But that's my opion of course  :thumb:
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    Re: APE SS - Target 230 - 250BHP - how ?
    « Reply #6 on: June 30, 2012, 03:02:48 pm »
    I'd say buy a different car  :thumb:

    Why would I do that  ???
    My M5 runs around 440bhp and even thats not enough but I love the Abarth brand and my APE SS is superb car but ask any true petrol head, its never enough.
    Surely you should be encouraging me not tell me to go elswhere !

    History tells me the components of the Punto don't take being highly tuned.
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    Re: APE SS - Target 230 - 250BHP - how ?
    « Reply #7 on: June 30, 2012, 03:51:53 pm »
    I'd say buy a different car  :thumb:

    Why would I do that  ???
    My M5 runs around 440bhp and even thats not enough but I love the Abarth brand and my APE SS is superb car but ask any true petrol head, its never enough.
    Surely you should be encouraging me not tell me to go elswhere !

    History tells me the components of the Punto don't take being highly tuned.

    I have to agree with Andrew here.
    Unreliability starts to creep in the more you tune them. My EVO is around the 200BHP mark with TMC fitted, and runs really well especially with 99 fuel in it. I wont be doing any more to it now.
    The best mod i have done is fit the Abarth koni kit and made it handle better, then stuck some decent tyre's
    on it.

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    Re: APE SS - Target 230 - 250BHP - how ?
    « Reply #8 on: June 30, 2012, 05:40:30 pm »
    For myself the amount of BHP a car has doesn't really matter. My preference if I could afford such a luxury would be to get the car with the best BHP per ton.

    I like the Colin Chapman ethos of 'adding Lightness' to cars. If the EVO, or the AGP's for that matter, were sub 1ton they'd be awesome. A 200BHP car that weights less than a ton is pretty bloody good.

    Give me a Caterham R400 any day, rather than a 2 ton 400 BHP monstrosity.

    But that's my opion of course  :thumb:

    You have obvously never driven an E39 M5 thats all I can say  ;)
    I prefer the Carroll Shelby ethos rather than the Colin Chapman one to be honest. I find Rallying far more exciting than F1 buts thats just me.
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    Re: APE SS - Target 230 - 250BHP - how ?
    « Reply #9 on: June 30, 2012, 06:00:24 pm »
    I'd say buy a different car  :thumb:

    Why would I do that  ???
    My M5 runs around 440bhp and even thats not enough but I love the Abarth brand and my APE SS is superb car but ask any true petrol head, its never enough.
    Surely you should be encouraging me not tell me to go elswhere !

    History tells me the components of the Punto don't take being highly tuned.

    I have to agree with Andrew here.
    Unreliability starts to creep in the more you tune them. My EVO is around the 200BHP mark with TMC fitted, and runs really well especially with 99 fuel in it. I wont be doing any more to it now.
    The best mod i have done is fit the Abarth koni kit and made it handle better, then stuck some decent tyre's
    on it.

    kEVO

    I dont really want to highly tune it and the mods I suggested will most likely be all thats needed. It was just a general question as to be honest there is so little infomation on tuning the APE SS.
    I am 42 years old and have been tuning cars since I was 17 and frankly I would look and feel a complete berk in Caterham type car.

    Just looking at the options for the APE thats all.
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    Re: APE SS - Target 230 - 250BHP - how ?
    « Reply #10 on: June 30, 2012, 06:20:57 pm »
    I have been doing some research on the gt1466 turbo and it's Corrected air flow and it's on the limit now with a tmc box pushing 1.6 bar is the make it can do,
    And it Pressure ratio it can't flow anymore pressure after 5000rpm
    I spoke to AET and I told him the car the turbo for nearly 1 hour,
    So I asked him if I want around 250bhp want turbo would I need,
    He said a GT25 can't remember the back end think it was GT2545
    The only problem is the manifold will not flow and fit the turbo do it would mean making a manifold so i'm designing a manifold to fit and roughly mount in the same place I'm designing it in solidworks

    I hope this helps you plus you may have to change cats and more but I'll get to that when they come

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    Re: APE SS - Target 230 - 250BHP - how ?
    « Reply #11 on: July 01, 2012, 11:06:33 am »
    My ape runs 200 bhp and all that's done is remap and filter
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    Re: APE SS - Target 230 - 250BHP - how ?
    « Reply #12 on: July 01, 2012, 11:30:06 am »
    Look why have Abarth done this

    T-jet 120bhp has small turbo
    Abarth grande 155 has bigger turbo
    Abarth grande SS 180 has bigger turbo

    So from 120 to 155 you need bigger turbo for 35bhp
    Then 155 to 180 you still need a bigger turbo for 25bhp

     I'm running tmc box and exhaust plus esseesse I don't know the power I have.
    Well I'm going for the bigger turbo (T25) and remap to suit turbo

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    Re: APE SS - Target 230 - 250BHP - how ?
    « Reply #13 on: July 02, 2012, 06:02:18 pm »
    I have an AGP SS that is/was running 235+ BHP :thumb:
    At the time it only had a TMC box......standard exhaust etc but it seems to be a bit of a bizarre quirk with my car as I have not seen or heard of another AGP or EVO running near this power with the same mods.

    The problem is that the standard components are useless when pushed to these levels :thumbd:
    I have gone through numerous vacuum hoses as they keep blowing, a dump valve, map sensor, and even somehow a new radiator!!!

    If you ask me, although 250 is possible it's just not worth it.
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    Re: APE SS - Target 230 - 250BHP - how ?
    « Reply #14 on: July 02, 2012, 09:20:37 pm »
    Ashley have you been Santa pod in yours, I find it hard to see how you can 235+, I have had this on many forums with my last hgt, in the end we all went to the dyno I know and trust and they was all gutted with there figures, but if you have that you have that, I know I would be very hard with that, but has I said before fiat to to put a bigger turbo to make 35bhp more, you have 55bhp more from exhaust and tmc box and filter

    Plus you can remove the standard dump valve and put a standard piston dump valve all it would take it to drill and tap the inlet manifold and you have remove a weak dump valve