Abarth Cars => Abarth Punto Evo => Topic started by: AlexK on September 13, 2010, 10:55:27 am
Title: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: AlexK on September 13, 2010, 10:55:27 am
Abarth engineers designed and developed the new esseesse kits for the Abarth 500C and Abarth Punto Evo with the aim of creating a unique driving experience in terms of performance, handling, comfort and safety. As always, Abarth tuning is an indissoluble mix of performance and safety: any increase in the former is reflected by at least an equivalent rise in the latter.
For example, the Koni shock absorbers included in both kits guarantee the car the best road-holding in maximum safety, adapting it to a personal driving style. The compression and expansion of the shock absorbers contributes to superior car handling under all road conditions.
At the same time, both kits give the cars an injection of power, significantly improving performance and acceleration yet without affecting the CO2 levels. What's more, if you select the Sport function, standard on all Abarth cars, the new kits further enhance driving satisfaction. As is traditional with Abarth, both the esseesse kit for the 500C and the Punto Evo are delivered to customers in a wooden case and are fitted exclusively by official Abarth tuning centres to ensure the highest standards of monitoring and safety.
Esseesse kit for the Abarth Punto Evo
In detail, the kit allows the 1.4 16v Turbo MultiAir power unit to achieve a maximum power of 180 HP (132 kW) at 5750 rpm and in Sport mode, a maximum torque of 270 Nm at 3000 rpm. The result is truly thrilling performance: top speed is 216 km/h with acceleration from 0-100 km/h in just 7.5 seconds. Even once the kits have been installed, the CO2 emissions guaranteed by the MultiAir remain unchanged (142 g/km) to ensure that the car maintains its Euro 5 compliance.
Consistent with Abarth’s concept of performance tuning in utmost safety, the esseesse kit includes perforated, ventilated front disc brakes (diameter 305 mm x 28 mm), perforated rear disc brakes (diameter 264 mm x 11 mm), high performance front brake pads, front and rear Koni shock absorbers with FSD valve, specific red springs set lower than those on the original car, Abarth esseesse 7†x 18†ET39 alloy wheels painted white or titanium, combined with 215/40 ZR18 tyres.
The make-up of the conversion kit for the Abarth Punto Evo is completed by a special “powered by BMC†air filter, an Abarth silencer with twin tail pipes, and esseesse badges for the engine cover and tailgate.
Kit contents
Perforated, ventilated front disc brakes (diameter 305 mm x 28 mm) Perforated rear disc brakes (diameter 264 mm x 11 mm) High performance front brake pads Front and rear Koni shock absorbers with FSD valve Specific red springs with lower ride-height Abarth esseesse 7†x 18†ET39 alloy wheels painted white or titanium with 215/40 ZR18 tyres BMC air filter Abarth silencer with twin tail pipes esseesse badges
Kit Prices
Kit esseesse Koni: ~£3,370 - £3,600 (Price varies due to regional variations in labour rates)
Kit Assetto Koni (Springs plus Koni dampers): £798 + fitting
Title: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse Technical Specifications
Post by: AlexK on September 13, 2010, 11:06:47 am
ABARTH PUNTO EVO esseesse 1.4 Turbo MultiAir 180 HP E5 3P Start & Stop - Technical Specifications
Engine - 4 cylinders in line, 4 valves per cylinder, 1368 cm3 - power 180 HP (132 kW) at 5750 rpm - max torque 270 Nm at 3000 rpm - turbocharged with fixed geometry Garrett GT1446 turbocharger - digital electronic solid-state ignition - Start&Stop system - digital Gear Shift Indicator - new electrohydraulic MultiAir intake valve management system
Transmission - 6 speed manual gearbox - lever for activating sporty drive (n/s)
Suspension - front suspension with MacPherson layout and oversized anti-roll bar - rear suspension with semi-independent configuration with torsion beam - Koni shock absorbers with FSD valve
Steering - electrohydraulic power steering
Brakes - Brembo M4x40 front brake calipers - front brakes with perforated, ventilated disc, diameter 305 mm x 28 mm with high-performance pads - perforated rear disc brakes with diameter 264 mm x 11 mm - with ABS + ESP - torque transfer control system (TTC)
Wheels - aluminium rims 7.5†X 18†ET 39, Abarth “esseesse†design - 215/40 ZR18" tyres
Emissions - complies with Euro 5 EEC-p5 standard - CO2 142 g/km
Consumption - Combined cycle (l/100km) 6.9
Performance - top speed: 216 km/h - acceleration 0-100 km/(sec) 7.5
Weight - 1185 kg
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: rxbkrs on September 14, 2010, 04:42:49 pm
If I'not wrong, both springs AND dampers will change this time??
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: AlexK on September 14, 2010, 04:47:02 pm
That's right. :thumb:
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: rxbkrs on September 14, 2010, 10:57:03 pm
Yes. The Punto EVO SS kit contains the same high performance pads and drilled disks as the SS kit for the GP Abarth.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: woodymbr on October 14, 2010, 07:04:27 pm
Hmmmm. Maybe in 12 months I'll pop an order in for one of these, need to take delivery of the A500 first :whistle:
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: Jarmin Von Nitely on October 14, 2010, 07:06:20 pm
I love mine but its back at the Dealers already :thumbd: Squeaky passenger seat and strang noise from the steering mechanic said it might be the clock spring !!!
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: duncs04 on December 01, 2010, 07:57:59 pm
Anyone know of the price of this kit yet? I would hope its around the same price of the 500 ss kit. It would make me more interested in getting one of these if it is.
Duncs04
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: John501 on December 01, 2010, 08:38:43 pm
I would presume we will get prices for the new esse esse kits at the dealer conference on the 16th.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: DraigFlag on January 16, 2011, 12:12:01 pm
Was told yesterday the SS kit for the APE is only £2500! With the Koni's being an option at around £700 to £800
Is this correct?
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: John501 on January 16, 2011, 12:16:03 pm
Nobody knows for sure until its released. Its rumoured to be the same kit as the A500 kit so £2500 is a little low but still in the same ball park.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: DraigFlag on January 16, 2011, 12:19:44 pm
Thanks John, seems a reasonable price now.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: rxbkrs on January 28, 2011, 12:41:00 am
Has this kit been released yet in Italy?
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: John501 on January 28, 2011, 09:19:55 am
Dont think so.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: Jarmin Von Nitely on February 25, 2011, 07:14:52 pm
this seems to be taking some time ive had the car a while now what about the 12mnt time limit. :thumbd:
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: lloyd on February 25, 2011, 07:17:08 pm
maybe there's a problem with the konis :thumbd:
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: John501 on February 25, 2011, 07:42:15 pm
Its not even clear whether there will be Koni's for the Evo
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: mightydquinn on February 25, 2011, 08:54:08 pm
it worries me, if they put the wrong dampers in the boxes, what happened to the right ones? ???
hope the evo SS kit doesn't go the way of the AGP monza :thumbd:
What happened to the GP Abarth SS?
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: sandys on March 25, 2011, 10:17:43 pm
So what is the story on the esseesse kit, when can you buy it?
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: John501 on March 26, 2011, 08:43:34 am
I think I answered it here https://www.abarthforum.co.uk/abarth-punto-evo/abarth-punto-evo-esseesse/msg110442/#msg110442
My stance has not changed.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: gwo1991 on March 27, 2011, 11:18:32 pm
One of these is one the cards after the A500, my cousin was looking at getting an APE, speccing one of these up from new?! Yum yum ;) Whats the delivery time estimate on APEs?
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: John501 on March 28, 2011, 12:16:19 am
Depends on which spec He wants
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: garyskisplym on April 04, 2011, 04:23:02 pm
Its coming :) :) :) :)
If you go on the facebook group for abarth there are pics.
This is all the info given-
Among the cars that My Special Car's Abarthisti could try today at My Special Car 2011, there is an unveiled Abarth Punto Evo "esseesse Koni" that stands out for power and performances!
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: olopboy on April 04, 2011, 04:26:01 pm
So still no more real information than we already know ;)
Mr K beat me too it
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: garyskisplym on April 04, 2011, 04:28:15 pm
Just translated the italian info and here it is-
Among the models on which the Abarth can experience the thrill of speed on the track at My Special Car 2011 stands out with an original Abarth Punto Ages "esseesse Koni": 180 bhp with maximum torque of 270 Nm at 3,000 g / min!
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: AlexK on April 04, 2011, 04:29:36 pm
I know this is a radical idea, but you could just read the first page of the thread you're posting in. ;D
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: olopboy on April 04, 2011, 04:32:22 pm
Shame its the bog standard SS wheels, the standards look so much better, think most wanted the SS to be 18" versions ;D
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: DraigFlag on April 04, 2011, 05:44:42 pm
Still waiting for the price to be confirmed then?
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: lloyd on April 04, 2011, 06:34:20 pm
it has koni dampers you know :whistle:
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: Jarmin Von Nitely on April 04, 2011, 06:49:08 pm
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: lloyd on April 04, 2011, 09:50:11 pm
exactly the same ::)
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: rxbkrs on May 15, 2011, 06:02:58 pm
Is there a chance the kit Esseesse for the Punto EVO Abarth will not be released?
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: GreyApe on May 15, 2011, 10:07:25 pm
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Is there a chance the kit Esseesse for the Punto EVO Abarth will not be released?
I think there is a chance it will never be sold. The package is developed and 'exists' - it was launched at Geneva, so what's holding it up?
FIAT are montoring sales of Abarth Evos to see whether to press the button with their suppliers.
For example. Look at it this way. FIAT sold 9 right hand drive APE dashboards in April (that is, they sold 9 UK spec cars). Perhaps they sold a similar amount in the other RHD APE market, Japan.
FIAT don't go to suppliers and say, "make me 18 RHD Abarth dashboards per month". They order components in the 'thousands'. Somewhere, there is a warehouse full of APE RHD dashboards.
The same thinking applies to the Esseesse kit. They'll have done their sums with the AGP and be deciding whether to order, assemble and distribute all the parts for an APEE launch. It may well be 'touch and go'.
To my knowledge, they've never printed an English version of the APE brochure, which speaks volumes about the bean counting going on in Turin ::)
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: John501 on May 16, 2011, 10:51:23 am
Is there a chance the kit Esseesse for the Punto EVO Abarth will not be released?
I think there is a chance it will never be sold. The package is developed and 'exists' - it was launched at Geneva, so what's holding it up?
FIAT are montoring sales of Abarth Evos to see whether to press the button with their suppliers.
For example. Look at it this way. FIAT sold 9 right hand drive APE dashboards in April (that is, they sold 9 UK spec cars). Perhaps they sold a similar amount in the other RHD APE market, Japan.
FIAT don't go to suppliers and say, "make me 18 RHD Abarth dashboards per month". They order components in the 'thousands'. Somewhere, there is a warehouse full of APE RHD dashboards.
The same thinking applies to the Esseesse kit. They'll have done their sums with the AGP and be deciding whether to order, assemble and distribute all the parts for an APEE launch. It may well be 'touch and go'.
To my knowledge, they've never printed an English version of the APE brochure, which speaks volumes about the bean counting going on in Turin ::)
I think you are very wrong with your guess. It was in our "terms of trading" for the 2nd quarter of 2011 that we must order an Esse Esse kit for Evo and when it arrives it must be fitted to a demonstrator. The part number is not with us yet but this is the first official mention of the kit with regards to minimum standards. I have been promised a kit since January of this year and was a little sceptical but the information in our trading standards is not like press rumours, it comes from the official source.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: GreyApe on May 16, 2011, 08:38:48 pm
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It was in our "terms of trading" for the 2nd quarter of 2011 that we must order an Esse Esse kit for Evo and when it arrives it must be fitted to a demonstrator. The part number is not with us yet but this is the first official mention of the kit with regards to minimum standards. I have been promised a kit since January of this year and was a little sceptical but the information in our trading standards is not like press rumours, it comes from the official source.
Fantastic - six weeks to go! ;D
I'll be down for a back to back test against my standard car. I like your part of the world 8) and have read lots about your exemplary service :thumb:
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: John501 on May 16, 2011, 10:47:23 pm
As soon as it's here it will be on a car, can't wait to get my hands on it :wave:
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: GTMartin on May 17, 2011, 09:14:35 am
Patience is a virtue ;D
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: John501 on May 17, 2011, 10:21:31 am
I'm not known for my patience, that's probably why I'm not called Doctor Kildare (boom boom) :getmecoat:
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: AlexK on May 18, 2011, 06:01:35 pm
I have pricing for the Evo kits.
Kit esseesse Koni: ~£3,370 - £3,600
Same price as 500 kit. Price varies due to regional variations in labour rates. Choice of white or titanium wheels.
Kit Assetto Koni: £798 + fitting
Springs plus Koni dampers.
In stock at distribution centres, available to order now.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: DraigFlag on May 18, 2011, 06:07:02 pm
Finally some info. A lot more than the £2500 i was told though :thumbd:
Thanks for posting
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: gwo1991 on May 18, 2011, 06:09:35 pm
Cripes!! Thats alot of moneys!
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: AlexK on May 18, 2011, 06:10:16 pm
It's the same price as the 500 kit.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: DraigFlag on May 18, 2011, 06:12:57 pm
Is there a non-koni price?
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: AlexK on May 18, 2011, 06:15:55 pm
No.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: DraigFlag on May 18, 2011, 06:19:20 pm
Different to the 500 kit in that sense then? I believe you can opt out of having Koni's with the 500?
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: AlexK on May 18, 2011, 06:23:39 pm
Splitting hairs much?
There are two esseesse kits available for 500: esseesse, and esseesse Koni.
Since most people are buying esseesse Koni, the Evo just has esseesse Koni. Plus Assetto Koni on both, of course.
Evo esseesse Koni is the same price as 500 esseesse Koni.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: olopboy on May 18, 2011, 06:44:37 pm
Looks to be reasonable value as its the same price as the 500 SS kit given it comes with bigger alloys and a replacement back box
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: AlexK on May 18, 2011, 06:51:56 pm
There's a suggestion that the kit also includes the two-piece brake discs similar to the 695, although it's not been confirmed.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: sandys on May 18, 2011, 07:05:36 pm
Ooof, still, it's an officially sanctioned kit from the manufacturer which maintains the warranty, this sort of thing always costs a bit more.
I had pretty much decided to go my own route as I thought this wasn't coming due to sales of the Punto being low, 'tis 6 months late after all, still good that it is coming.
Now I'm a bit torn, s'pose I'll be able to demo this at the very least before blowing a wad, rather than taking a risk on some unproven stuff.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: lloyd on May 18, 2011, 07:09:32 pm
i'm guessing ther'll be one to drive at the goodwood moving motor show :thumb:
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: londonrichie on May 18, 2011, 09:59:11 pm
So in terms of engine enhancements the SS has a different ECU only or are we still unsure on that detail?
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: DraigFlag on May 18, 2011, 10:21:57 pm
So in terms of engine enhancements the SS has a different ECU only or are we still unsure on that detail?
The only detail that wasn't known was the price, kit and power details as per the first post, have been confirmed for a while. The APE just has an ECU map as it already has the Garret turbo
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: 3k5k on May 18, 2011, 10:48:40 pm
What sort of estimated power output are we looking at with the TMC box on the SS EVO, one for Daron maybe.
kEVO
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: MarcoPolo on May 18, 2011, 11:09:48 pm
So we are looking at +£3,600 for basically:
Extra 15 bhp and slightly better handling and braking plus the dubious honour of replacing the much admired Scorpion wheels with some White or Titanium 18 inch wheels originally supplied with the Grande Punto version.
RRP for standard car say £16,800 (without extras) plus Esseesse kit £20,400 before dealer discount. :crazy:
I say good luck to anyone laying out that sort cash on a Punto.
The RS Clio is regarded as the benchmark hot hatch at RRP £17,930. The outgoing Ford Focus ST is retailing at £18295 before extra haggling, so +£20k for the Esseesse seems bad value to me :thumbd:
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: John501 on May 18, 2011, 11:27:04 pm
How can anyone judge the product before they've driven it? I remember everyone saying that AGP Esse Esse was overpriced before it was test driven and as if by magic lots of people took the option. The old saying goes,"BHP sells cars but torque wins races" Can anyone quote me the torque figures for EVO Esse Esse? Didn't think so :wave: Why don't you wait until it's in the cars before making a judgement? Because people like to slate things on a public forum because they can. :thumbd: Wait until Your dealer has a demonstrator and then come back and give me your opinion. I can't guess how the general opinion will go but I bet I'm one of the first to drive it. Will the FSD's transform the drive of the car? You bet your ass they will. Anyone who has driven the 500 with the FSD's will tell you they are worth every penny. Will the better brakes improve the stopping power? Yes Will the extra torque improve the power? Yes Will a TMC box enhance it further? Yes Value for money against aftermarket gains? Then you have to weight up how much you value your warranty? At the end of the day, the choice is yours but I'm going to drive it before I say "it's too much money!!!!!!"
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: stevey293 on May 18, 2011, 11:54:26 pm
Agpss beat the clio rs200 on the 1/4 mile too. was never tried with koni fsds but i think it would give it at least a run for its money. i'll be honest i personally couldn't feel enough of a difference for £4000 but the evo ss kit is cheaper. plus its a different engine. personally i think this one will be a winner.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: MarcoPolo on May 19, 2011, 07:20:50 am
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How can anyone judge the product before they've driven it?
Absolutely right, but cars are judged on paper too. There's a whole industry of motoring magazines out there that can make or break a car brand, so unfortunately, we are conditioned to comparing like for like in this way. Rightly or wrongly cars are often bought without a test drive.
And anyway, a 30 minute test drive is all well and good but you never really find out how good (or bad) a car is until you've driven it for a month or two 'in real world' situations. Hence the market for magazines, their reviews, long term tests - and the inevitable 'bean counting' including residuals ::)
The thing is, the standard APE is such a brilliant car and I'm not sure adding 20% to the RRP is going to make it 20% better. And I was aware of an extra 20 Newtons in Sport mode.
It looks like an upgrade that will be purchased with the heart rather than the head, although I believe it's a high proportion of A500s that get 'super-sported', so perhaps the Evo will too. Let's see.
But all credit to Abarth for developing it. :thumb:
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: matthew9712 on May 19, 2011, 08:05:18 am
Does the Evo have the potential for further power upgrades as we know it has the bigger turbo but what about the other components the esseesse kit give the AGP, injectors ect.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: sandys on May 19, 2011, 08:33:45 am
The thing is, the standard APE is such a brilliant car and I'm not sure adding 20% to the RRP is going to make it 20% better. And I was aware of an extra 20 Newtons in Sport mode.
The same argument can be made to disregard any optional extra you fit to a car though but you buy them because they are the thing you want in the vehicle you want to drive.
I do think its a bit of a shame that you can't just buy the esseesse from the factory as an option as it would be loads cheaper and a more 'green' proposition that suits this day and age rather than the wastage of swapping out perfectly good parts.
It looks like an upgrade that will be purchased with the heart rather than the head, although I believe it's a high proportion of A500s that get 'super-sported', so perhaps the Evo will too. Let's see.
Shouldn't that rule anything you buy? If you rationalise everything based on the head, you'll end up with a lot of stuff that while good, or at least lots of people have told you its good, it might not be something you really like or really wanted in the first place.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: lloyd on May 19, 2011, 08:35:19 am
people that want it will buy it, people who like it will buy it, people who have to be told what to buy will read their magazines and quote them to us ;)
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: A84RTH on May 19, 2011, 12:33:04 pm
I decided was having the esseesse kit fitted to my agp before I bought the car. It cost me £4000 but worth every penny im my opinion. the car handled alot better than the standard set up :thumb: definitely feel the difference in power/torque plus get to keep your warranty :). Also the cars even more exclusive.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: stevey293 on May 19, 2011, 05:42:46 pm
researches test drive route did it nothing was a trip down the flat and boring a444. so didn't feel enough of a difference personally. i do like the titanium wheels however.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: ashley_r_84 on May 19, 2011, 07:56:26 pm
The esseesse kit was already on my car when i purchased it....but its the only reason i went for the car. I can honestly say i wouldn`t have purchased an AGP without it :thumb:
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: GreyApe on May 19, 2011, 09:26:24 pm
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I do think its a bit of a shame that you can't just buy the esseesse from the factory as an option as it would be loads cheaper and a more 'green' proposition that suits this day and age rather than the wastage of swapping out perfectly good parts.
That's actually, a very intelligent point. ::)
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: stevey293 on May 19, 2011, 09:30:01 pm
That was a small part of the reason i didn't ss the agp tbh. i know it also put at least one other off.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: Tha_Ben on May 19, 2011, 09:32:23 pm
whats the servicing like? thats what put me off.
My car see's enough of the Abarth garage as it is without having to return every x miles for the SS Service...
Title: re: abarth punto evo esseesse
Post by: stevey293 on May 19, 2011, 09:32:57 pm
Sorry for double post cant edit on phone.
if you ss from new it really means your paying for parts you'll never use and thats the way we both seen it. yeah you can sell on old parts but theres no telling how long it'll take to do so.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: DraigFlag on May 19, 2011, 09:42:27 pm
I have a plan. Buy the "almost new" APE for sale online for £11,990, then buy the kit for £3500 and you've got a pretty much new APE SS for £15490, cheaper than a standard new one :thumb:
Might do that myself actually
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: matthew9712 on May 19, 2011, 09:44:13 pm
It's a good plan. Practically two new cars for less then the price of one :thumb:
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: lloyd on May 19, 2011, 09:44:40 pm
do that and i'll fit the TMC box for you :thumb:
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: DraigFlag on May 19, 2011, 09:46:04 pm
But it's Red and i want Grey or white :-\
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: Abartholi on May 19, 2011, 09:48:53 pm
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo Mats ?
Post by: John501 on May 26, 2011, 01:26:18 pm
Content of the kit is now 100% confirmed. It will contain: • Engine Power upgrade to 180 bhp • Front Brake discs; Abarth Brembo Floating Brake Discs, Cross Drilled and Ventilated (305mm x 28mm) • Upgrade to High performance Front Brake Pad set • Cross Drilled Rear Brake Discs; Abarth Brembo( 264mm x 11mm) • New Front & Rear; Koni FSD Damper set (Frequency Selective Damping) Brembo suspension spring set; Red Spring finish and reduced ride height set up Specific Abarth “esseesse†design alloy wheels; 7,5†x 18†ET39 with 215/40 ZR18 tyres • High-flow Air Filter “powered by BMC†• Exhaust System; replacement rear section with enlarged bore • Badge “esseesse†for engine cover and Tailgate. All this has been achieved while keeping the car in the Euro 5 category emission 142 g/Km
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: AlexK on May 26, 2011, 01:59:41 pm
Quick photo of Evo esseesse floating disc:
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo Mats ?
Post by: GTI-Russ on May 26, 2011, 02:04:35 pm
All this has been achieved while keeping the car in the Euro 5 category emission 142 g/Km
And that's the exact reason this kit should be avoided! This kit as with the standard car has had been designed with the compromise of achieving emissions targets. Who of us really care what the emissions are as long as it passes an MOT? If they didn't have an emissions target to hit then you would have easily seen over 200bhp from this kit.
If you after actual performance then your money is better spent elsewhere.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: A84RTH on May 26, 2011, 02:09:35 pm
Finally some news about the kit. :thumb:
My dealer was 100% sure it was going to produce 205bhp though, I told him not a chance bet it's 180 so now I'm happy.
Good news it's here though hope it becomes available soon.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: John501 on May 26, 2011, 02:10:23 pm
All this has been achieved while keeping the car in the Euro 5 category emission 142 g/Km
And that's the exact reason this kit should be avoided! This kit as with the standard car has had been designed with the compromise of achieving emissions targets. Who of us really care what the emissions are as long as it passes an MOT? If they didn't have an emissions target to hit then you would have easily seen over 200bhp from this kit.
If you after actual performance then your money is better spent elsewhere.
That is one of the main reasons the kit is done by the dealer Russ, of course the emissions change but as it's done as an aftermarket modification the car doesn't need to be tested again. If you dont want the kit that's your choice but dont put something down that you have no experience of.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: GTI-Russ on May 26, 2011, 02:31:16 pm
Not slagging the kit off, just highlighting how their hands were tied as to how much performance they could unleash with the kit. You don't need experience of the kit to realise the obvious. We all know that performance and emissions have an inverse relationship.
Am sure that the break upgrade & FSD's will make it a cracking drive. Can't see the uptake on the kit being too high as everyone wants to keep the claw alloys.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: A84RTH on May 26, 2011, 02:35:18 pm
You get to keep the claws and can be put back on at anytime :thumb:
Also with the kit it does improve the car alot although on paper it doesn't look much it makes a big difference.
Best of all you get to keep your warranty whereas if you take your money elsewhere you've lost it.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: GTI-Russ on May 26, 2011, 02:40:53 pm
True, just a killer having to shell out for alloys you may not want. Do wish you could pick and choose bits from the kit.
Assetto kit sounds like a good shout though
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: John501 on May 26, 2011, 02:58:48 pm
Just having a quick tot up of bits: Koni's & springs £800 Wheels £300 easch (£1200) Tyres £120 easch (£480) Exhaust £200 ? complete guess Pads £100 Front Discs £500 Rear discs £200 Total £3480
Thats in parts alone without the power upgrade or any fitting costs. Sounds like pretty good value to me ::)
If you dont want the wheels then sell them, there are enough AGP Esse esse's out there that will have a kurbed alloy. Add to the price the additional residual value of the car (AGP SS is still making about £1500 more than NP as a trade in) and happy days.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: GTI-Russ on May 26, 2011, 03:22:10 pm
Thats in parts alone without the power upgrade or any fitting costs. Sounds like pretty good value to me ::)
Seem to have struck a nerve on this one. If you actually read my post I never once implied that the kit was 'Bad Value', just if you're looking to maximise performance then you're money is better spent elsewhere. But as you rightly point out, this is the only route to take if you wish to retain your warranty.
I understand that as a dealer it is in your interest to defend any nay saying about the kit, however you can't stop people form pointing out the facts. I mean you wouldn't have a problem if I was telling everyone that by installing the kit it would change their lives forever....
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: olopboy on May 26, 2011, 03:27:19 pm
I think John's point was 'don't knock it till you try it', you can knock it if you like afterwards ;)
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: John501 on May 26, 2011, 03:31:34 pm
^^^^^^^ Exactly what He said :thumb:
If you try an esse esse'd car and decide that an aftermarkert alternative is better then I have no problem with that at all. As it is impossible for you to try that option at the moment then an opinion shouldn't be formed.
I would actually have a problem if you were telling everyone that the kit would change their lives for ever as you would be misleading people on a product that you have not tested. Best We leave the subject there until demo's are availble and people can give an informed opinion.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: sandys on May 26, 2011, 03:33:19 pm
With the factory kit, does your car become a proper EsseEsse, as in re-classified model on the V5 and with its own insurance grouping therefore easier to insure and most likely cheaper than a modified car, or does the addition of a kit mean its a modified vehicle and is treated as such by insurers meaning you have to list each modified part upon insuring?
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: John501 on May 26, 2011, 03:40:06 pm
The V5 will never change as DVLA refuse to do it. Esse Esse is a seperate model for insurance purposes and you will receive a certificate to say that the car has a kit and the back of the service history book will be stamped by the dealer and a verified kit number will be written in. It will not be classified as a modified car :thumb:
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: GTI-Russ on May 26, 2011, 03:41:07 pm
Just for the record. I have driven an AGP SS (I realise this is not an EVO).
I really don't get why you think i'm trying to have a dig. All I have ever done is commented on emissions. Fact is to keep emssions at the same level there are restrictive parts still in place which could have been removed/ improved if their hands were'nt tied. This is a fact!
Like I've said before i'm sure it's a cracking drive and will happily give one a go.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo Mats ?
Post by: Carlos on May 26, 2011, 03:47:50 pm
All this has been achieved while keeping the car in the Euro 5 category emission 142 g/Km
And that's the exact reason this kit should be avoided! This kit as with the standard car has had been designed with the compromise of achieving emissions targets. Who of us really care what the emissions are as long as it passes an MOT? If they didn't have an emissions target to hit then you would have easily seen over 200bhp from this kit.
If you after actual performance then your money is better spent elsewhere.
The thing is if the cars emissions went up and pushed the car into the next road tax bracket i can imagine alot of people would be put off! you only have to look at the renault clio cup! because of the 2.0l engine it gets pushed into the £240 a year tax bracket! at 142g/km its only £140 means alot to people these days as petrol and road tax is so f'ing expensive!!
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: sandys on May 26, 2011, 03:52:50 pm
The V5 will never change as DVLA refuse to do it. Esse Esse is a seperate model for insurance purposes and you will receive a certificate to say that the car has a kit and the back of the service history book will be stamped by the dealer and a verified kit number will be written in. It will not be classified as a modified car :thumb:
Cheers, and for the record are there still requirements prior to fitment of age/mileage etc?
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: John501 on May 26, 2011, 04:01:02 pm
Yes Sandys, it will still be 12 months or 12000 miles.
On the other point of emmisions, the urban myth is still floating around that the smoke testers are linked to a DVLA database and each car is tested against it's individual emissions rating. There was talk of the system being put into place a couple of years ago but when the costs of replacing every emissions machine in the U.K. was calculated the idea was binned. Every car is tested in a banding for it's age only. That means that your Abarth will be tested in the same range as any other petrol car. It's either a pass or a fail, it's not getting a letter from DVLA telling you they've put you RFL up. Beleive me, if a 3 year old RX-8 can get through the emissions test then your Abarth will have no problems.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: GTI-Russ on May 26, 2011, 04:08:52 pm
From reading previous posts I doubt the increase in emissions would have caused your road tax banding to rise as you still retain your current V5. However I have no idea if that would still be the case if the kit raised emissions levels, however I presume you'd still be in the original banding.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: rxbkrs on June 13, 2011, 12:49:54 am
All this has been achieved while keeping the car in the Euro 5 category emission 142 g/Km
And that's the exact reason this kit should be avoided! This kit as with the standard car has had been designed with the compromise of achieving emissions targets. Who of us really care what the emissions are as long as it passes an MOT? If they didn't have an emissions target to hit then you would have easily seen over 200bhp from this kit.
If you after actual performance then your money is better spent elsewhere.
I think the most likely reason that tke kit doesn't produce 200 hp is due to the 1.4 liter engine. If the engine size was 1.6 liters, then that would be a different story. Of course, if the the normal Punto EVO Abarth had 160 hp, and the kit Esseesse had 185 hp, the horsepower difference between the Punto EVO Abarth and the Esseesse kit would be the same as the normal GP Abarth and it's Esseesse kit.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: garyskisplym on June 14, 2011, 02:54:57 pm
I want the disks.
Can the disks be brought on there own??
Also do the pads change???
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: olopboy on June 14, 2011, 03:10:46 pm
The discs should be available to buy seperately don't expect them to be cheap, only the front pads change though
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: rxbkrs on June 14, 2011, 05:26:54 pm
Yes. With the kit Esseesse, the front pads and all 4 disks change.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: sandys on June 23, 2011, 11:44:34 pm
I was looking at some photos of esseesse installation on an Italian forum and the exhaust shot seems to show that its straight through, no center silencer, looks a bit like the TMC setup.
Is that the case or is this modified? 'The Punto sounds pretty disappointing compared to all the rorty 500s at the meet tonight, I hear this sort of change will improve it.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: AlexK on June 23, 2011, 11:52:33 pm
I don't know what it sounds like (John can probably help here) but I do know it comes with a new centre section now. Hopefully this will address the problem the AGPSS sometimes had with back boxes popping off.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: John501 on June 23, 2011, 11:57:59 pm
There is no centre box on the standard car. Best guess is that the centre pipe and seperate back box are there to avoid the centre pipe being cut too short as on the AGP and blowing the back box off. The exhaust note is definately deeper and more boomy :thumb: Got a few pops and crackles too :thumb:
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: sandys on June 24, 2011, 12:01:29 am
Wow the stock car is so quiet I assumed it must of had a centre silencer too :o looking at the shot the tunnel for the exhaust after the flex pipe looks huge so thought there may have been a silencer in there.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: lloyd on June 24, 2011, 09:50:55 am
its a standard fiat punto floor pan remember. it has to accommodate bits for the whole range :thumb:
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: mjaz101 on June 24, 2011, 06:43:32 pm
Anychance of a link to the Italian forum with the EsseEsse installation photos??
I picked up my new Red Evo 3 weeks ago and am getting impatient waiting for my EsseEsse kit to arrive...... ;D
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: sandys on June 24, 2011, 07:09:58 pm
Cool, the red APE looks really good.
Here is the thread (http://www.evoabarth.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=330&start=190)
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: mjaz101 on June 24, 2011, 07:19:32 pm
Excellent! Now to practice my Italian reading all 23 pages....
Does anyone know who/where the first EsseEsse kits have gone? Meridien Milano had ordered their demonstrator kit only a couple of days before mine but have still not heard anything other than "they're are coming from Italy so could be a month, could be 3 months" Helpful :(
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: sandys on June 24, 2011, 07:25:21 pm
Put the link into google translate it does an OK job, it messes some things up but if you are stuck on anything google can't do I may be able to help, though I have picked more Sicilian dialect/slang rather than Italian through living in Catania for a few years.
http://translate.google.co.uk/
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: MarcoPolo on June 24, 2011, 08:25:55 pm
Abarth's Italian website: Still showing as "coming soon" in Car Configurator but:
Does anyone know who/where the first EsseEsse kits have gone? Meridien Milano had ordered their demonstrator kit only a couple of days before mine but have still not heard anything other than "they're are coming from Italy so could be a month, could be 3 months" Helpful :(
Strange, Mine's already on my car ;D
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: mjaz101 on June 27, 2011, 06:04:17 pm
Well I guess that measn you won't have lots of shiney parts to pass on then :P
Any sign of any kits turning up at dealers yet then???
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: John501 on June 27, 2011, 07:10:11 pm
I am a dealer and yes I still have all the old bits.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: mjaz101 on June 27, 2011, 08:59:47 pm
Ah ok, I thought I'd heard of cars being supplied direct from Italy with the kit already fitted........ I assumed also that the cars could have beaten the individual kits over. How long since your kit arrived??
Maybe I should phone up my dealer and find out where exactly my kit has got to! ::)
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: John501 on June 27, 2011, 11:19:03 pm
RHD UK cars will not come into the U.K. Esse Esse'd from any factory. The only exception is the 695 as that is a bit of an odd ball ::)
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: mjaz101 on June 28, 2011, 04:49:54 pm
Not to worry - we're going in tonight for the transformation! ;D
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: John501 on June 28, 2011, 04:54:32 pm
Not to worry - we're going in tonight for the transformation! ;D
That could be interesting, As far as I know the remap for Evo still doesn't exsist. I'm getting the extra power from a TMC box.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: mjaz101 on June 28, 2011, 06:24:53 pm
er ok, lets see what happens..... I would have hoped they would have been aware of this and let me know before dropping my car off to them
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: John501 on June 28, 2011, 06:38:23 pm
If they've not done one before they may not know, it's not been widely publicised.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: sandys on June 28, 2011, 06:43:56 pm
Hmm, now they don't replace the ECU, how are you going to know its done, I can see this being left out?
What is holding up your reprogramming John is it training, waiting for software or some hardware?
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: John501 on June 28, 2011, 06:46:22 pm
It's waiting for the software from Turin. Believe me it wont be left out, the kit needs to be registered with Abarth for the warranty before it's fitted and it cannot be finished without the update. You would obviously notice the difference in power, 40 nm is a fair bit of torque.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: sandys on June 28, 2011, 06:55:22 pm
I'd hope I'd notice but I drove Ashleys' TMC'd SS and didn't find it a great deal quicker than my Evo (it was quicker but I thick I was expecting more) so I guess I should be lowering my expectations of SS kit when I fit it as that motor has put out some decent figures on the Dyno so clearly has some power.
To be fair I was on a public road and only had a short blast, so really hard to make a proper judgement as the extra power probably manifests itself more in 4th/5th/6th (over 80) where obviously due to boring stuff like traffic and the law I had to be a little bit more reserved.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: MarcoPolo on June 28, 2011, 09:25:02 pm
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You would obviously notice the difference in power, 40 nm is a fair bit of torque.
John501
All of the PR regarding the Esseesse for the Evo states it's only 20Nm more torque (250 Nm @ 2250 RPM standard car and 270 Nm @ 3000 RPM with the upgrade).
Here's Abarth's Italian website link http://www.abarth.it/it/CMSIT/Kit_Abarth/Pages/KitPunto.aspx which sates 270 Nm @ 3000 rpm - unless the Italian cars are a lower spec, which seems unlikely, and especially the press in the UK quote the same figures.
IMHO you'd need to jump directly from a standard Evo to an Evo Esseessee and do some low speed acceleration in 6th in both cars, to notice any difference in 'pull' with the upgrade :wave:
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: sandys on June 28, 2011, 09:32:58 pm
That's what I was thinking, its quite minor, there is probably 15lb difference between a hot day and a cold one.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: mjaz101 on June 28, 2011, 10:20:37 pm
Hmmm so shall I expect a phone call tomorrow from MM saying they can't complete the fitting of the kit or will they just 'forget' to do the mapping? I did have a chat about the effect that an independant remap or TMC would have on the warranty though - think I'll be waiting a while for an answer on that one!
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: John501 on June 28, 2011, 11:19:40 pm
You would obviously notice the difference in power, 40 nm is a fair bit of torque.
John501
All of the PR regarding the Esseesse for the Evo states it's only 20Nm more torque (250 Nm @ 2250 RPM standard car and 270 Nm @ 3000 RPM with the upgrade).
Here's Abarth's Italian website link http://www.abarth.it/it/CMSIT/Kit_Abarth/Pages/KitPunto.aspx which sates 270 Nm @ 3000 rpm - unless the Italian cars are a lower spec, which seems unlikely, and especially the press in the UK quote the same figures.
IMHO you'd need to jump directly from a standard Evo to an Evo Esseessee and do some low speed acceleration in 6th in both cars, to notice any difference in 'pull' with the upgrade :wave:
WOW, I got a figure wrong. Sorry I dont have all the cars spec off the top of my head ::) My experience with 3 years with Abarth is that you WILL feel the difference between an NP and and Esse Esse. Sorry of you feel you are far more qualified to comment on the Abarth product than me, even of the finished article doesn't actually exist yet :wave:
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: MarcoPolo on June 29, 2011, 06:49:25 am
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Sorry of you feel you are far more qualified to comment on the Abarth product than me, even of the finished article doesn't actually exist yet
Johm501
I stand chastised :hide:
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: x18pjr on June 29, 2011, 04:12:51 pm
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There is no centre box on the standard car. Best guess is that the centre pipe and seperate back box are there to avoid the centre pipe being cut too short as on the AGP and blowing the back box off. The exhaust note is definately deeper and more boomy Got a few pops and crackles too
Like mine that was cut short and my back box comes off with it off it pops and bang nice ;D
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: mjaz101 on June 30, 2011, 09:59:49 pm
Well my car is sat on my drive filled with lovely EsseEsse bits and pieces including the factory remap - apparently after some discussion with Torino the map was uploaded without any issues!! Very happy so far especially with all the whizz popping out of the new exhaust ;D
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: John501 on June 30, 2011, 10:14:44 pm
I am told that the map became available after I left yesterday to drive to Goodwood :bat: Glad you like it :thumb:
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: GreyApe on July 01, 2011, 07:59:16 am
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Very happy so far especially with all the whizz popping out of the new exhaust
mjaz101
How does that equate to performance change? 8)
Great kit is here at last. Still no info on abarth uk or international sites about price.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: John501 on July 01, 2011, 10:06:07 am
RRP is £3370 but it may vary due to labour rates around the country
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: will-w on July 02, 2011, 09:56:32 am
I drove Ivan Gibson's EVO SS round the track at Goodwood on Thursday and can confirm, hand on heart, that the EVO SS is a better all round car than the GPA SS...
So much so I am desperately trying to find reasons not to change cars... Poor Carmen! :'(
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: lloyd on July 02, 2011, 11:36:40 pm
i'd take the best bits of both, my AGP SS with the evo SS suspension, build quality and refinement :thumb:
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: DraigFlag on July 02, 2011, 11:41:55 pm
And the body of an A500, perfect! ;D
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: sandys on July 03, 2011, 12:01:14 am
Hard to really tell from a youtube clip but it sounds like the SS exhaust might have actually put a sting in the tail of the Evo ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvUHDUjRxeI
Well you can hear something more than the silence.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: londonrichie on July 03, 2011, 12:11:40 am
Imagine a monza on that - no exhaust for the punto has come close yet :thumbd:
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: A84RTH on July 03, 2011, 12:52:05 am
Imagine a monza on that - no exhaust for the punto has come close yet :thumbd:
You've obviously not heard the TMC one ;) :D
All the agp need is the koni's .
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: will-w on July 03, 2011, 09:31:32 am
I must admit that the AGP feels more 'raw', and the power delivery is completely different between the two..
But having driven both, there is an obvious difference.. And, IMO, no one can give comment as to which is better until they've driven both in anger.
I've always been an Evo hater, in fact I spent a long time thinking it was fugly and too bulky.. Driving one, and seeing the SS in the flesh completely blew my mind
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: olz on July 03, 2011, 03:35:19 pm
Got my Punto Evo SS Delivered yesterday, had an AGP SS previously. Evo looks much more aggressive on the exterior, makes a better noise than the AGP and dumps quite loud when changing gear. AGP SS full leather seats are nicer than the leather option in the EVO, leather door handles/cards on the AGP were nicer than the crummy material they've equipped the EVO with. Centre console/dials/radio etc much nicer in the EVO. AGP SS had fantastic handling, but the EVO blows it away with the koni's. 90 degree bends at speed and there is no roll at all, corners completely flat. I've yet to fit my TMC, going to let it run in a bit first. I've literally only done 40/50 miles in it so this is purely first impressions. However the EVO turns heads everywhere, only people that knew what they were looking at acknowledged the AGP whereas EVO is a neck snapper.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: DraigFlag on July 03, 2011, 09:51:31 pm
No thank you they can't handle what the Punto can. They are too short and too high
So why do they put the AGP running gear in A500's for the racing cars then? :whistle:
I believe he is referring to the wheelbase/ relative body height
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: rxbkrs on July 06, 2011, 10:41:15 pm
I can't wait to see an official laptime from this kit! :D
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: garyskisplym on September 12, 2011, 05:01:17 pm
Tested an evo ss today. Would I park my money for the kit no. The konis are lovely and the exhaustair filture combo sound nice and what all ape should sound ilk but still slight the quiet side.
The power delivery is nice but didn't fill much diffrent to my ape with tmc.
Would recommend anyone with a np ape to drive one thow. Wouldn't mind hearing other people's opinions
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: sandys on September 12, 2011, 05:18:44 pm
I've got the cash waiting to do it at the moment but I like to get to know my cars well before tuning and I fully intend to get some good use out of my current parts first as you'll only get silly offers for the old parts so they may as well be used.
I have done a few trackdays and sprints so far, my brakes can't really cope with any more functions, so they are not far from being ready for the chop, there is enough to tide me over for a few miles if I stop playing in the motor and keep it on the road.
My dealer has been pretty slow in getting an esseesse kit on the demo motor though so not been able to test yet, not in a rush, still gotta burn through my Pirellis ;D they've held out really well.
As you are comparing it to a TMC'd APE and saying it feels the same that is pretty reassuring actually as it must be giving it a decent bump whilst still maintaining the warranty, I'd of expected it to hide its power more due to better suspension setup so might of felt more refined and therefore feel less powerful that your TMC'd machine.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: garyskisplym on September 12, 2011, 06:01:03 pm
By the same power I ment the putting you back but my car fells slightly flat at min as I have had my box off for last couple days and covered 500miles as I know I would have not get time to do it before it went into dealers today
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: sandys on October 08, 2011, 01:21:15 pm
Finally test drove an esseesse today, it's a nice car, very hard to come to a solid conclusion about it though as it was fitted to a new motor which meant it was a bit tight.
The engine performance was below my current stock APE, there were a few improvements I could notice though, this car didn't have the early cut of revs in early gears and was more keen to go higher despite being new. Hard to say if this was because it wasn't pulling as hard so the power cut is less pronounced than mine but I recall mine being like it since day one, so perhaps it is a mapping improvement.
Brakes again something I could not test, having not done many miles they probably hadn't been bedded in so can only take it on trust that it'll be even better, current brakes are superb so I doubt it will be a downgrade.
Exhaust system seemed fine, boomier but not too intrusive, my car sounds more restrained in comparison.
Handling was the trump card, it was very positive, cutting a lot of body roll whilst maintaining a fairly compliant ride, I felt that even with the 18s it was a lot more composed over the rough roads by the dealership, than my sto k car, firm but not exposing you to the big impacts, very good.
So a bit mixed really as the car was a bit tight. I can justify some of it but can't decide if it's all worth it, i'll have to give it some thought, it's a shame it's not something you can test on a nicely run in motor like mine to give it a proper test. All I know is that at the very least I will be replacing some of the parts so don't mind getting it in the kit.
Car had the Sabelts in, it's a nice seat to sit in shame it costs so much.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: sandys on October 26, 2011, 04:44:03 pm
The V5 will never change as DVLA refuse to do it. Esse Esse is a seperate model for insurance purposes and you will receive a certificate to say that the car has a kit and the back of the service history book will be stamped by the dealer and a verified kit number will be written in. It will not be classified as a modified car :thumb:
I just called my insurance (Admiral) to confirm premium increase for fitting esseesse kit, and they won't change the model as the car will still come up as a 163bhp Punto and will only list this change as a modification.
Perhaps I am going about it wrong, if you order a new APESS does it have a different classification on the V5 than a stock APE?
any tips on what I should be saying to these guys as this kit thing causes confusion.
It was only £22 increase as a modification so hardly a killer but obviously if I have an accident and write the vehicle off I want to ensure they pay out as the higher priced vehicle?
Perhaps I should put this in a new thread? Hmmm dunno.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: John501 on October 26, 2011, 04:49:52 pm
All insurers should view it as a different model, it has it's own code in the insurance ratings (sorry, can't remember what it is)
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: sandys on October 26, 2011, 04:51:12 pm
The found the separate model but claim I cannot use it as that is not what my car is as it did not come off the production line like it. ::)
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: olopboy on October 26, 2011, 04:53:40 pm
No SS ever came off the production line as an SS, muppets ::) Speak to a different advisor, there's a few who know what's going on
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: sandys on October 26, 2011, 04:56:25 pm
I will have another go, it was £27 as a model and £22 as a modification neither breaks the bank which is good just want to make sure its right.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: lloyd on October 28, 2011, 11:24:55 pm
had this problem when i SS'd my AGP, took 7 calls to the insurance before i got someone who knows about the abarth way of doing things, basically you need the advisors supervisors manager before you get any sense at all :thumb:
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: rxbkrs on October 29, 2011, 08:25:19 pm
How much power and torque does the Esseesse kit have (dyno tested)?
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: lloyd on October 29, 2011, 08:34:54 pm
official figure is 180. individual readings are only really relevant if you had the car on the same dyno before the kit was fitted to get an accurate figure for the increase :thumb:
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: Patrick on November 08, 2011, 04:17:14 pm
I test drove one today. Didn't seem a great deal quicker than my standard APE, nor really any less jiggly on poor surfaces. A little better planted on better surfaces and at speed - maybe due to the wheels/tyres - mine are the 205/45 17s on the grey alternative wheels.
Don't think I'll be spending the money either on the full kit or on the dampers/springs.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: sandys on November 08, 2011, 06:26:44 pm
If that is your tyre size I'd imagine your car would feel more accelerative as you are over 5% under the size of the 18s which lowers the gearing, would feel fast but top of 3rd you'd be going 4mph slower :D
The esseesse I drove felt a lot slower than mine, but then I put decent fuel in and its unlikely the dealer did and mine is well run in.
EDIT - I'm sure that your post read 205/40/17 initially, hey ho, scratch my comment you are just over 2% under the esseesse.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: craigfowell on November 24, 2011, 05:08:34 pm
i was hoping for them to gain more power out of the new car because the agp had 180 so i thought they might have got a little more out the new engine, but oh well i have driven one and the power is a little better the handling is ok apart from the wheels hitting the arch and the bouncy ride but that is to be expected, i have the esseesse brakes on mine so i couldnt tell the diffrence with the brakes and i have a bmc filter on mine too so couldnt tell any sound diffrence but still fun and it pust a smile on your face, Wouldnt spent the 4000 quid though :thumbd:
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: Patrick on November 24, 2011, 08:51:50 pm
i was hoping for them to gain more power out of the new car because the agp had 180 so i thought they might have got a little more out the new engine, but oh well i have driven one and the power is a little better the handling is ok apart from the wheels hitting the arch and the bouncy ride but that is to be expected, i have the esseesse brakes on mine so i couldnt tell the diffrence with the brakes and i have a bmc filter on mine too so couldnt tell any sound diffrence but still fun and it pust a smile on your face, Wouldnt spent the 4000 quid though :thumbd:
Mine is unmodified and still puts a smile on my face - and it's starting to sound very good in an understated way - would like a smoother gearbox and less jiggly suspension, but even that I'm getting used to. Maybe different tyres will help. I know that on my Punto GTs the handling and ride were hugely improved with Yokohamas, and the ride became much easier with Michelins, which lasted an age.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: sandys on November 30, 2011, 10:44:06 pm
there was me hoping that esseesse might take me > 190 with a bigger wedge of torque.....perhaps I'm going to be disappointed :-\ , time will tell, cars were not tested in same conditions.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: John501 on November 30, 2011, 10:49:11 pm
Meh ::) I can tell the difference :thumb:
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: lloyd on November 30, 2011, 10:50:17 pm
do you really trust a translation like that ???
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: John501 on November 30, 2011, 10:51:27 pm
I dont trust the horsepower figures, they are too low :thumbd:
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: sandys on November 30, 2011, 11:30:36 pm
translation is not great but you get the jist, not sure when this one was tested one of the photos shows 32degC in the dash, if its not library photos then that could indicate a difference there, you just won't get 32degC in december in Italy, clearly they are not testing the same cars and they could find as i have done that the esseeese was slower than what I drive daily, for me I put it down to the tightness of the demo.
Sounds like the safety systems held it back on the track due to the extra torque, a reasonable comment, I've had them cut in on me when pressing on, a car running the same rubber with more torque isn't going to grip any better on smooth tarmac.
Article seems to also imply that its better on fuel, that would be a welcome addition, my current 40mpg average just doesn't cut the mustard.
Couple of weeks and I'll know for sure. :whistle:
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: rxbkrs on December 24, 2011, 01:28:07 pm
Does the Punto EVO Abarth SS handle better than the GP Abarth SS due to the Koni FSD dampers? Anyone driven both these cars to compare?
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: 3k5k on December 24, 2011, 01:47:57 pm
I Have the Standard EVO, with 18 inch SS wheels, the difference starts here, the 18s make a difference on there own. I Have driven the Punto EVO SS With the Koni's and noticed a a marked inprovement and much better than mine on standard shocks. I think they come at a premium though at around a grand.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: sandys on December 25, 2011, 12:37:18 pm
Its hard for me to really comment with authority as there was a good few months between when I drove them but I got out of the AGPSS and thought its not bad, not as quick as I had thought and walked out of the showroom quibbling on the price of it.
Drove the Evo and was a lot happier over all, didn't feel it gave up a lot to the other machine such are the improvements to drivetrain and the tweaks to the handling, a bit more roll but not a lot else, liked it, bought it despite it costing more than a GP. :)
The Konis should work well on an AGPSS though, depends how you want it to handle there are lots of options, Konis very road biased from what I can tell, if that is not a concern and you don't have roads as dodgy as our lumpy potholed A/B roads you might want to go more extreme with something like KW V3 etc or a Bilstein middle ground.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: sandys on February 02, 2012, 02:43:56 pm
Thoughts on esseesse kit after 3k, no track usage yet as car is still has dodgy vibration at high speed under load which is going in to get looked at.
Best Bit – handling without doubt, I have been able to run 18s with lower profiles and lower ride height and experienced improved ride, does it go far enough, no, still too much bodyroll but the car is pretty stable overall, when I can be bothered to go to work I have a 100 mile roundtrip, it very smooth and well composed on A/B roads, I would of liked to take the car further but wouldn’t want to put up with it day to day, this will do me, a marked improvement on standard.
Extra power, Meh, my car was performing pretty well prior to the remap (Dyno’d at Stock SS figures before remap :D) don’t notice much of a bump after it, the car has changed but its minimal, biggest improvement is the tweak to the normal throttle map, unfortunately SS map hasn’t improved early rev limit in low gears etc. Air Filter has allowed more noise from the turbo, makes it sound more like a rally car, I like this :), exhaust has improved the engine note, it’s still very much quiet and usable, just deeper, more purposeful, spending over 3 hours a day in the car this is good for me.
Brakes – find myself stopping short a lot, there is a lot more initial bite which is the cause of the this but has resulted in a lack of feel in the pedal, old setup was very progressive, the amount of pressure I apply translating to appreciable equal amount of retardation in the car, very nice, I was in control, new setup is like sport mode for brakes, everything delivered in first prod of brakes and nothing more with further pressure, not very good in my opinion.
I am hoping the behavior might change when I get some proper heat cycling into them on track, too much personal stuff going on in my life at the mo to play with cars. At the moment its very much a case of wouldn’t recommend it :( By product of the brakes better initial bite is that TTC now works more aggressively, might sound like a good thing as its supposed to be a good LSD mimic, TTC unfortunately is arse and you can’t turn it off, now it’s too aggressive, too much speed lost, really need to ditch electronics in next Abarth or make it switchable as I won’t buy another if it’s more of the same. Much prefer how the car and electronics performed on the old brakes which due to the less effective bite let me manage understeer with my right foot and never got in my way.
Summary is esseesse worth it, for me, no! I bought it as I was enjoying the Evo and wanted a bit more from it and feel the car was good enough fun that it was worth spending some dough on it, I do like the wheels and suspension though, add these to an APE and perhaps visit TMC, you’ll do better with your dough, of course excepting possible warranty/reliability implications.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: sandys on February 13, 2012, 12:35:04 pm
Seems I have to retract some of my comments regarding brakes as I have been able to rid the car of its snatchy brake nature :thumb: was really getting on my nerves, so gave them some serious punishment the other day, many, many controlled decelerations to the point of fade and the brakes have come back to me, I am a lot happier now 8) , I thought I would have done enough with early driving and the odd bit of exhuberance, it would seem that is not the case, even after the mileage I had done they weren't working right, car felt like it was over servo'd.
All apparently sorted now, seems predictable again, car brakes well 8) Happy days :thumb: I should know better and have done a lot more testing as they just didn't seem right :-[
I did ask about bedding in and was told that I didn't need to go to the lengths I have done, probably true if you drive more aggressive day to day, I don't really. Seems that a proper bed in procedure is required though for best performance.
Loving my APESS right now, I do still wonder if I should have gone aftermarket but you tread a fine line between improving performance and ruining the car when things are taken to extremes, I need to do a fair bit of mileage in this and I want to enjoy it as much on the day to day as I do at other times, track days are secondary, as it stands the SS is better than a stock Evo and the stock Evo is already very good, objectively the kit has done its job.
S'pose to help others i'll add in a procedure that was similar to what I followed, from Brembo.
Example Bed in procedure
[*]While the vehicle is stationary, pump brakes to ensure a firm pedal. [*]Drive the vehicle cautiously to test fit and function. [*]The brakes should be smooth, with no vibrations, judder, etc. [*]Drive the vehicle to a remote area and perform at least 30 brake applications of 3-second duration. Use light/medium deceleration with varying starting speeds. Leave at least ½ mile between each brake application. [*]The purpose of this procedure is to gradually increase the temperature in the components without inducing thermal shock, and to mate the brake pad and disc friction surfaces. [*]After the repeated stops, drive the vehicle for several miles with little or no braking in order to adequately cool the components. [*]After the above process is completed, the system is ready for normal use. [*]When the system achieves elevated brake temperatures for the first time, a slight increase in pedal travel and pedal effort may occur. After this first "fade" and proper cooling, the system will maintain its optimum performance at all temperatures.
Title: Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
Post by: sandys on August 04, 2012, 10:57:37 am
Finally got my Evo SS on the dyno and the kit has given me the increase promised, car is running 195bhp and. 218lbs of torque :-D
The car put out SS figures pre kit so was unsure as to the gains the kit would give, while it felt a touch stronger, the SS map took some aggression out of the throttle map making the car easier to drive but also meant it never felt like a huge difference.