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Offline lloyd

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Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
« Reply #60 on: May 18, 2011, 07:09:32 pm »
i'm guessing ther'll be one to drive at the goodwood moving motor show :thumb:

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    Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
    « Reply #61 on: May 18, 2011, 09:59:11 pm »
    So in terms of engine enhancements the SS has a different ECU only or are we still unsure on that detail?
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    Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
    « Reply #62 on: May 18, 2011, 10:21:57 pm »
    Splitting hairs much?

    Sorry. I must not ask so many Abarth related questions on the dedicated Abarth forum  ;D

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    Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
    « Reply #63 on: May 18, 2011, 10:30:32 pm »
    So in terms of engine enhancements the SS has a different ECU only or are we still unsure on that detail?

    The only detail that wasn't known was the price, kit and power details as per the first post, have been confirmed for a while. The APE just has an ECU map as it already has the Garret turbo
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    Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
    « Reply #64 on: May 18, 2011, 10:48:40 pm »
    What sort of estimated power output are we looking at with the TMC box on the SS EVO, one for Daron maybe.

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    Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
    « Reply #65 on: May 18, 2011, 11:09:48 pm »
    So we are looking at +£3,600 for basically:

    Extra 15 bhp and slightly better handling and braking plus the dubious honour of replacing the much admired Scorpion wheels with some White or Titanium 18 inch wheels originally supplied with the Grande Punto version.

    RRP for standard car say £16,800 (without extras) plus Esseesse kit £20,400 before dealer discount.  :crazy:

    I say good luck to anyone laying out that sort cash on a Punto.

    The RS Clio is regarded as the benchmark hot hatch at RRP £17,930. The outgoing Ford Focus ST is retailing at £18295 before extra haggling, so +£20k for the Esseesse seems bad value to me  :thumbd:

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    Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
    « Reply #66 on: May 18, 2011, 11:27:04 pm »
    How can anyone judge the product before they've driven it?
    I remember everyone saying that AGP Esse Esse was overpriced before it was test driven and as if by magic lots of people took the option.
    The old saying goes,"BHP sells cars but torque wins races"
    Can anyone quote me the torque figures for EVO Esse Esse?
    Didn't think so :wave:
    Why don't you wait until it's in the cars before making a judgement? Because people like to slate things on a public forum because they can. :thumbd:
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    Will a TMC box enhance it further? Yes
    Value for money against aftermarket gains? Then you have to weight up how much you value your warranty?
    At the end of the day, the choice is yours but I'm going to drive it before I say "it's too much money!!!!!!"
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    Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
    « Reply #67 on: May 18, 2011, 11:54:26 pm »
    Agpss beat the clio rs200 on the 1/4 mile too. was never tried with koni fsds but i think it would give it at least a run for its money. i'll be honest i personally couldn't feel enough of a difference for £4000 but the evo ss kit is cheaper. plus its a different engine. personally i think this one will be a winner.

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    Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
    « Reply #68 on: May 19, 2011, 07:20:50 am »
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    How can anyone judge the product before they've driven it?

    Absolutely right, but cars are judged on paper too. There's a whole industry of motoring magazines out there that can make or break a car brand, so unfortunately, we are conditioned to comparing like for like in this way. Rightly or wrongly cars are often bought without a test drive.

    And anyway, a 30 minute test drive is all well and good but you never really find out how good (or bad) a car is until you've driven it for a month or two 'in real world' situations. Hence the market for magazines, their reviews, long term tests - and the inevitable 'bean counting' including residuals  ::)

    The thing is, the standard APE is such a brilliant car and I'm not sure adding 20% to the RRP is going to make it 20% better. And I was aware of an extra 20 Newtons in Sport mode.

    It looks like an upgrade that will be purchased with the heart rather than the head, although I believe it's a high proportion of A500s that get 'super-sported', so perhaps the Evo will too. Let's see.

    But all credit to Abarth for developing it.  :thumb:

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    Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
    « Reply #69 on: May 19, 2011, 08:05:18 am »
    Does the Evo have the potential for further power upgrades as we know it has the bigger turbo but what about the other components the esseesse kit give the AGP, injectors ect.

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    Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
    « Reply #70 on: May 19, 2011, 08:33:45 am »
    The thing is, the standard APE is such a brilliant car and I'm not sure adding 20% to the RRP is going to make it 20% better. And I was aware of an extra 20 Newtons in Sport mode.

    The same argument can be made to disregard any optional extra you fit to a car though but you buy them because they are the thing you want in the vehicle you want to drive.

    I do think its a bit of a shame that you can't just buy the esseesse from the factory as an option as it would be loads cheaper and a more 'green' proposition that suits this day and age rather than the wastage of swapping out perfectly good parts.

    It looks like an upgrade that will be purchased with the heart rather than the head, although I believe it's a high proportion of A500s that get 'super-sported', so perhaps the Evo will too. Let's see.

    Shouldn't that rule anything you buy? If you rationalise everything based on the head, you'll end up with a lot of stuff that while good, or at least lots of people have told you its good, it might not be something you really like or really wanted in the first place.

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    Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
    « Reply #71 on: May 19, 2011, 08:35:19 am »
    people that want it will buy it, people who like it will buy it, people who have to be told what to buy will read their magazines and quote them to us ;)

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    Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
    « Reply #72 on: May 19, 2011, 12:33:04 pm »
    I decided was having the esseesse kit fitted to my agp before I bought the car. It cost me £4000 but worth every penny im my opinion. the car handled alot better than the standard set up  :thumb: definitely feel the difference in power/torque plus get to keep your warranty  :). Also the cars even more exclusive.
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    Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
    « Reply #73 on: May 19, 2011, 05:42:46 pm »
    researches test drive route did it nothing was a trip down the flat and boring a444. so didn't feel enough of a difference personally. i do like the titanium wheels however.

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    Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
    « Reply #74 on: May 19, 2011, 07:56:26 pm »
    The esseesse kit was already on my car when i purchased it....but its the only reason i went for the car.
    I can honestly say i wouldn`t have purchased an AGP without it :thumb:
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