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Abarth Cars => Abarth Punto Evo => Topic started by: JohnnyR on August 29, 2011, 06:50:32 pm

Title: Evo oil spec
Post by: JohnnyR on August 29, 2011, 06:50:32 pm
There seems to be a good deal of uncertainty regards what oil to put in these cars. So I contacted Mobil and this the reply I received....what do you think?


Hello,

As I understand this engine 1.4 MultiAir 170 hp requires low ash oil SAE 0W-40 or 5W-40. So our product is Mobil 1 ESP 0W-40.

http://www.mobil.com/UK-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil_1_ESP_0W-40.aspx
 (http://www.mobil.com/UK-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil_1_ESP_0W-40.aspx)
Best regards,


Mikhail Fedotov,
Supervisor of Technical Help Desk (North-East team), L&S

ExxonMobil Technical Help Desk - Europe

e-mail:        [email protected]
Title: Re: Possible answer to oli question
Post by: John501 on August 29, 2011, 06:59:22 pm
Why would there be uncertainty?

The correct oil is the Selinia 5w40.

There is no grey area, any other oil may invalidate your warranty if there is a problem and a sample is sent to Turin.
Title: Re: Possible answer to oli question
Post by: J_a_m_e_s on August 29, 2011, 09:09:57 pm
Who's oli?
Title: Re: Possible answer to oli question
Post by: MarcoPolo on August 29, 2011, 09:19:04 pm
Selina?.........so if you 'top up' with another brand of 5W-40 your warranity is invalid  ???
Title: Re: Possible answer to oli question
Post by: olig on August 29, 2011, 09:22:06 pm
I'm Oli!  :wave:
Title: Re: Possible answer to oli question
Post by: MarcoPolo on August 29, 2011, 09:28:24 pm
Also.......so if you 'top up' with another brand of Oli your warranity is invalid  ???
Title: Re: Possible answer to oli question
Post by: J_a_m_e_s on August 29, 2011, 09:52:10 pm
Nice to meet you oli  ;)
Title: Re: Possible answer to oli question
Post by: Binnypuss on August 29, 2011, 10:40:18 pm
I'm Oli!  :wave:

Hello Oil, fancy some Tea? :wave:
Title: Re: Possible answer to oli question
Post by: John501 on August 29, 2011, 10:42:24 pm
Also.......so if you 'top up' with another brand of Oli your warranity is invalid  ???

If the chemical composition is not correct then yes.
Title: Re: Evo oil spec
Post by: JohnnyR on August 30, 2011, 10:06:03 am
That's totally crazy!! I've owned bikes that rev out a helluva a lot higher, with variable valve timing using similar hydraulics and they weren't restricted to one brand. It's only cos Fiat used to own Selenia which they don't any more. Any oil within spec must be OK.....there's nothing magic about Selenia as a brand. I hope so as it's quite possible Selenia will cease to be as a brand as it's apparently changed hands a few times recently.
Title: Re: Evo oil spec
Post by: sandys on August 30, 2011, 10:33:12 am
You can mix synthetics but as synthetics have a specific chemical balance mixing one oil with other may not provide the same level of protection due to upsetting the balance, so best to top up with the same oil that has been used to fill the engine than another, the make up of the oil changes over time anyway due to combustion waste etc. but the safest option is to remain with the same brand.

On a full fluid change you can put any brand in it says as much in the manual, you just have to use the right specs.
Title: Re: Evo oil spec
Post by: GTMartin on August 30, 2011, 10:50:18 am
What has not been mentioned is the electro-hydraulic valve control system is supposed to be quite sensitive to the oil it is designed to run on. So within the warranty period, suggest sticking to Selenia.
Title: Re: Possible answer to oli question
Post by: DTPnorfolk on December 09, 2011, 06:49:27 pm
Why would there be uncertainty?

The correct oil is the Selinia 5w40.

There is no grey area, any other oil may invalidate your warranty if there is a problem and a sample is sent to Turin.

I assume this is the same stuff I can get from my local Fiat dealership that they stock for the normal Punto MA?
Title: Re: Evo oil spec
Post by: Potter77 on December 09, 2011, 07:11:24 pm
Good job Freddie has T-Jet engine because my next mod is to run it on chip fat vegetable it will make 250bhp :thumb:

Potter77 :)
Title: Re: Evo oil spec
Post by: garyskisplym on December 10, 2011, 09:29:02 pm
Will using whip cream void my warrenty???

On a serious note how much is in a can and how much oil does the engine take if I'm paying for 2 cans can I ask for what left

Gaz
Title: Re: Evo oil spec
Post by: John501 on December 10, 2011, 09:29:49 pm
It takes 2.9 litres of oil and yes you should get the left over.
Title: Re: Evo oil spec
Post by: will-w on December 11, 2011, 10:26:37 am
Will using whip cream void my warrenty???

On a serious note how much is in a can and how much oil does the engine take if I'm paying for 2 cans can I ask for what left

Gary;

You need to make sure you remind them time and time again that you want the remainder or they'll "dispose of it" before you pick the car up..

Also state loads and loads of times that you want them to use Selenia or they'll use the wrong oil!!

Not only did they not use Selenia in Carmen, they completely used the wrong grade oil and tried to fob it off as better stuff :thumbd:
Title: Re: Evo oil spec
Post by: sandys on December 12, 2011, 02:42:11 pm
Yup hard work getting an oil change done right at an Abarth dealer, in fact its all more difficult that it needs to be, it was very refreshing to ring my Renault dealer up and have them quote me correctly for the right work without having to explain myself, all I told them was my cars mileage and age and they told me the right information, no additional bits an pieces or confusion, despite my car being an import and so not on their UK service systems.

More impressed with Renault the more I use them, when I suggested that I was going to phone around for a better price they even pointed me in the right direction to one of their fast fit places with lower labour rates, sure its so they get some of my money rather than none but it helps, with my Abarth dealer I feel when I walk in that I being am transported to marrakesh and am bartering for a good price, when I canceled an appointment for 9k oil change to go to a cheaper dealer they drop the price quoted to me by 40% ::) makes you feel even more like they are creaming you for all they can get.
Title: Re: Evo oil spec
Post by: will-w on December 12, 2011, 05:27:18 pm
My last post was by no means a dig at Abarth dealers in general; was merely a warning for Gary to keep an eye out with one particular dealer :thumb:
Title: Re: Evo oil spec
Post by: sandys on December 12, 2011, 05:53:30 pm
Having called a few dealers and also tried them I'd say that your words are worthy of consideration for all, there is a need to be vigilant, something I am not always the best at.
Title: Re: Evo oil spec
Post by: garyskisplym on December 15, 2011, 11:20:40 am
No problem with mine will right oil used first time and even found time to look at my washer bottle and bodge it till my new one arrives

Gaz
Title: Re: Evo oil spec
Post by: will-w on December 15, 2011, 12:06:49 pm
No problem with mine will right oil used first time and even found time to look at my washer bottle and bodge it till my new one arrives

Gaz

Really?  They're obviously scared of you now! ;D
Title: Re: Evo oil spec
Post by: garyskisplym on December 18, 2011, 09:15:08 am
I will give them their due since a restructure down there they are getting better. Only moan now is they rarely ring back when they say they will
Title: Re: Evo oil spec
Post by: Joefollis on February 03, 2016, 11:25:19 am
Is the 5w 40 the correct oil for an punto evo 163bhp?
Title: Re: Evo oil spec
Post by: Andrew on February 03, 2016, 02:07:14 pm
Is the 5w 40 the correct oil for an punto evo 163bhp?

Yes

https://www.shop4parts.co.uk/?name=store&op=Results&keywords=al63
Title: Re: Evo oil spec
Post by: dixy on June 21, 2016, 12:32:45 pm
With regards to dealer dig's I got presented with a mito oil filter the other day for my APE, when I was doing my oil change..should have checked.  My APE will not take anything other than 5w40 regardless what the dealers say, I am starting to wonder if there has been a small mod at the factory like wider ports etc to lift the thicker oil up as mine threw the dummy out when "THEY" did a 6k oil change.10w50 trying to say the multiair unit was duff..I no longer trust anyone now to do any work on mine ....on a plus note I provide all my parts now and make the coffees so I can stay n watch him working.....on my car gets my vote...different if under three years old.  :-/
Title: Re: Evo oil spec
Post by: Dudi910 on September 22, 2016, 04:37:40 pm
a question for the experts here,
I'm trying to find an alternative for selenia oil(it cost here about 30 GBP for a 2L container! and very rare)
I've looked in some Chrysler, fiat, and abarth forums in the us, and they have a different oil spec requirement for the 1.4T multiair engine.
they have a larger oil sump, so the total amount of oil is 3.8L(including filter), instead of 3L in Europe. that's the only difference that I know of.
the requirement is 5w40 spec MS-12991, most recommended oil is SHELL Helix Ultra 5w40.
it's approved by Ferrari, and recommended by the American FCA dealers, so why not?

any thoughts?