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Abarth Cars => Abarth Punto Evo => Topic started by: Reece on October 15, 2010, 11:54:01 am

Title: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: Reece on October 15, 2010, 11:54:01 am
Just thought some of you would like a read:

http://www.topgear.com/uk/fiat/punto-evo/road-test/-abarth-driven
Title: Re: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: SJH on October 15, 2010, 11:55:51 am
It all seems a little underwhelming which is a shame.  :thumbd:
Title: Re: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: Reece on October 15, 2010, 11:57:37 am
Yea. Doesnt seem they think to much of it. Im still 50/50 on the styling though.
Title: Re: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: AlexK on October 15, 2010, 11:59:27 am
I dunno, thought it read quite well to be honest.

And I agree with their conclusion: "But if you think of the Punto Abarth as a mini GT rather than a hot hatch, a car for economical day-to-day boring stuff with a bit of fizz when you need it, it makes more sense. Go on, give an Abarth a home."
Title: Re: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: Reece on October 15, 2010, 12:02:26 pm
Yea deff agree with the closing statement. Yea dont get me wrong it read well but they didnt seem excited about it?
Title: Re: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: domc on October 15, 2010, 03:57:10 pm
I'm not sure of it, the AGP undercut most warm/hot hatches but the APE its very much in the mix of hot hatches price now.. SKoda fabia, Seat cupra, VW polo gti and if you want a proper hot hatch the clio 200...

I think its in for a rough ride and will rely on the the fans of the Abarth name rather than people buying the car for its performance.
Title: Re: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: matrix neil on October 15, 2010, 06:46:53 pm
I'm not sure of it, the AGP undercut most warm/hot hatches but the APE its very much in the mix of hot hatches price now.. SKoda fabia, Seat cupra, VW polo gti and if you want a proper hot hatch the clio 200...

I think its in for a rough ride and will rely on the the fans of the Abarth name rather than people buying the car for its performance.
If im honest I dont think the APE is gonna sell that many cars,as the car is over priced and the competition at this level is fierce,clio 200,mini s,ect ect.If it wasnt for abarth fans such as us i think the brand would survive? ??? :wave:
Title: Re: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: Jarmin Von Nitely on October 15, 2010, 06:58:52 pm
I'm not sure of it, the AGP undercut most warm/hot hatches but the APE its very much in the mix of hot hatches price now.. SKoda fabia, Seat cupra, VW polo gti and if you want a proper hot hatch the clio 200...

I think its in for a rough ride and will rely on the the fans of the Abarth name rather than people buying the car for its performance.

If im honest I dont think the APE is gonna sell that many cars,as the car is over priced and the competition at this level is fierce,clio 200,mini s,ect ect.If it wasnt for abarth fans such as us i think the brand would survive? Huh? Wave
   
I agree with both of these comments I bought it because it was an Abarth and rarer than any others mentioned and it is loosening up nicely but no Clio200 but thats a renault.I like the fact im driving something different full stop :)
Title: Re: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: matrix neil on October 15, 2010, 07:05:01 pm
I'm not sure of it, the AGP undercut most warm/hot hatches but the APE its very much in the mix of hot hatches price now.. SKoda fabia, Seat cupra, VW polo gti and if you want a proper hot hatch the clio 200...

I think its in for a rough ride and will rely on the the fans of the Abarth name rather than people buying the car for its performance.

If im honest I dont think the APE is gonna sell that many cars,as the car is over priced and the competition at this level is fierce,clio 200,mini s,ect ect.If it wasnt for abarth fans such as us i think the brand would survive? Huh? Wave
   
I agree with both of these comments I bought it because it was an Abarth and rarer than any others mentioned and it is loosening up nicely but no Clio200 but thats a renault.I like the fact im driving something different full stop :)
Mate i could not agree more,I wanted a car that no many people have and i do love the abarth brand.I have owner a clio 182 and had nothing but problems with it!So far so good with my AGP SS.I was gonna try and upgrade to the APE,but after all the negative comments,i think im gonna stick with what i know! :thud:
Title: Re: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: John501 on October 15, 2010, 07:08:24 pm
Neil you need to drive an Evo.
You may well know that I was the worlds biggest fan of GP SS (i had 4 of them) but after driving the Evo for a few weeks its a much more "grown up" car but still has the ability to put the "Abarth grin" on your face :thumb:
Title: Re: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: matrix neil on October 15, 2010, 07:14:52 pm
Neil you need to drive an Evo.
You may well know that I was the worlds biggest fan of GP SS (i had 4 of them) but after driving the Evo for a few weeks its a much more "grown up" car but still has the ability to put the "Abarth grin" on your face :thumb:
I must admit I cant pass judgement until i have driven one! So im gonna book a test drive to see what all the fuss is about.I am sceptical,and do believe the car is overpriced! I have seen a pre-registered one on ebay for a gut busting£18.500.That is gonna out price alot of Abarth fans like me  :'(
Title: Re: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: John501 on October 15, 2010, 07:16:12 pm
The start at £16500 new :thumb:
Title: Re: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: DraigFlag on October 15, 2010, 07:17:17 pm
I did book a test drive in one. They said they would ring me back when the cars arrived (supposedly that week) Been over a month now, not heard a sausage  ???
Title: Re: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: Jarmin Von Nitely on October 15, 2010, 07:44:31 pm
Theres a nearly new white one for sale at £15995  :thumbd: surely thats a misprint (thinking of residuals here as an APE Owner)
Title: Re: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: woodymbr on October 15, 2010, 07:49:47 pm
I drove one at Bauer Millett last week. It was good, really comfy and quiet on the motorway but it had tons of turbo lag when not in sport mode. I think I'd rather have a Clio RS200...
Title: Re: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: Jarmin Von Nitely on October 15, 2010, 07:50:35 pm
Yep the turbo lag in non sport mode is appalling  :thumbd:
Title: Re: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: domc on October 15, 2010, 07:54:23 pm
I have a feeling that when ford get there act together for a Fiesta ST it will be the best of the bunch.... If i was going for a small hot hatch again it would be either the cupra or polo....

I do think the APE is an imporvment over the AGP though  :thumb:
Title: Re: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: Salvos_White_Abarth on October 15, 2010, 08:36:09 pm
to be honest i dont think its over priced. look at the a500c...its easily 18K+ with extras etc.

and to be honest i dont think the abarth brand is expensive at all.

i had a corsa as a cortesy car...it was a 1.4 xsi with metalic grey paint and fogs and 15" alloys.and i looked it up at the cost of it...it came to a staggering 14k ish.(cant remember if it was just under or just over 14k), :o FOR A CORSA! thats abarth 500 money.

Title: Re: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: Tha_Ben on October 17, 2010, 11:42:04 am
I think its over priced for one reason.

Dealer Network!

now, i've not been to all Abarth dealers, and im sure some of them (especially the ones on here) are very good. However, the one closest to me has put me off ever buying another Fiat/Abarth/Alfa ever again.

As much as I love my Abarth, they just cannot compete (from my experience) with other manufacturers garages.

Also, I still don't like the look of the inside of the APE (or 500 - shoot me! :P).... and that bit matters to me, since its what I see 99.5% of the time!
Title: Re: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: stevey293 on October 17, 2010, 05:26:08 pm
after the AGP im staying jap. got a EVO X love it to bits really cant fault it 414 BHP £22k or £16500 for a punto hmmmmm i'll let you you pick.
Title: Re: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: matrix neil on October 17, 2010, 05:42:52 pm
after the AGP im staying jap. got a EVO X love it to bits really cant fault it 414 BHP £22k or £16500 for a punto hmmmmm i'll let you you pick.
I hate to say this,but i think alot of people will change brands after this.Abarth just cant compete with the likes of Clio 200,mini sport,alfa ect.You have only got to read the new reviews of the GPE to nkow what i mean :'(
Title: Re: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: Jarmin Von Nitely on October 17, 2010, 06:10:55 pm
after the AGP im staying jap. got a EVO X love it to bits really cant fault it 414 BHP £22k or £16500 for a punto hmmmmm i'll let you you pick.

Nice erm whats the Road Tax on that and the fuel consumption oh and not to mention the INSURANCE lol  :) hehe each to their own i guess i miss my imprezas a lot but not the running costs.
Title: Re: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: DraigFlag on October 17, 2010, 06:13:58 pm
Depreciation too. You've paid 22K but they were over 50K new (for a FQ400)
Title: Re: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: Hawk on October 17, 2010, 11:06:56 pm
I think its over priced for one reason.

Dealer Network!

now, i've not been to all Abarth dealers, and im sure some of them (especially the ones on here) are very good. However, the one closest to me has put me off ever buying another Fiat/Abarth/Alfa ever again.


I'm the same, I like my AGP but unless a new dealership opens nearby I will not be buying another Abarth and will probably be getting rid of my AGP, this as a direct result of my local dealership which is apalling and I'm sure is the same dealership as you are relating to . . . . i can feel my blood boiling just typing this. They should be shut down, end of.
Title: Re: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: Salvos_White_Abarth on October 17, 2010, 11:09:41 pm
stil dont think its overpriced. i was gobsmacked at the price of a sxi corsa at almost 14k  ??? why!

and how about the twingo?its only 1 grand less than the a500. i think the only abarth thats abit over priced personaly is the a500c. cracking looking motor but aint it almost 4k more than the hardtop?  :o but ye i still think the abarth priceing is competitive :).
Title: Re: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: DraigFlag on October 18, 2010, 07:51:42 am
It's not just Abarth that are dear. Look at all the other brands too. You can pay £30,000 for a new Citroen these days! The A500 has no trouble shifting in huge quantities compared to the old AGP, not sure why everyone finds it so much more appealing, but they're obviously not put off by the premium.
Title: Re: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: SJH on October 18, 2010, 09:48:56 am
Yep the turbo lag in non sport mode is appalling  :thumbd:

Err, why not leave it in sport mode then?..... ;D
Title: Re: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: Jarmin Von Nitely on October 18, 2010, 10:13:33 am
I do  ;D
Title: Re: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: stevey293 on October 18, 2010, 06:06:57 pm
after the AGP im staying jap. got a EVO X love it to bits really cant fault it 414 BHP £22k or £16500 for a punto hmmmmm i'll let you you pick.

Nice erm whats the Road Tax on that and the fuel consumption oh and not to mention the INSURANCE lol  :) hehe each to their own i guess i miss my imprezas a lot but not the running costs.

to insure its £2300 for a year tax is £415 for a year off the top of my head mgp is 30 at best value for money at £22k is far better than £16k for a punto though. and has anyone had a look at their PX price on their abarths???

mine started life off as a 300 not a 400 though
Title: Re: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: DraigFlag on October 18, 2010, 06:09:08 pm
I'm sorry, but how come you get 30 MPG in a tuned EVO, but only get 11.3 MPG in the Punto? Something's not adding up...
Title: Re: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: AlexK on October 18, 2010, 06:19:34 pm
If you're not discussing Top Gear's test of the new Punto Evo, please take it elsewhere.  Thank-you.
Title: Re: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: woodymbr on October 27, 2010, 03:49:19 pm
It's not just Abarth that are dear. Look at all the other brands too. You can pay £30,000 for a new Citroen these days! The A500 has no trouble shifting in huge quantities compared to the old AGP, not sure why everyone finds it so much more appealing, but they're obviously not put off by the premium.

Probably due to Top Gear giving it such a good review on the show. They can make or break a care with just one review.
Title: Re: Top Gear test New APE
Post by: FWD_Boy on November 01, 2010, 07:33:40 am
At the moment the RenaultSport models are some of the best Hot Hatchs about as the old firms like Ford and Vauxhall have seemed to forgoten how to make a sporty compact car, even Citroen and Pug have seems to also forgot how to cook up a decent Hot Hatch, thing is there are alot of 'Warm' Hot Hatches about at the moment and as long as the Abarth is better than them AND not marketed as a blow for blow rival to the Cilo RS200 then I think the Evo will be alright.

The Polo and the Ibiza with their clever turbo/supercharged engines def have the power, around the 180 mark, but nearly every review sees them as cold and detached drives, the Mini's still for estate agents and hair dressers imo even tho its a cracking car, its the people that drive em that really give it the image problem.