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Offline sandys

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Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
« Reply #180 on: February 02, 2012, 02:43:56 pm »
Thoughts on esseesse kit after 3k, no track usage yet as car is still has dodgy vibration at high speed under load which is going in to get looked at.

Best Bit – handling without doubt, I have been able to run 18s with lower profiles and lower ride height and experienced improved ride, does it go far enough, no, still too much bodyroll but the car is pretty stable overall, when I can be bothered to go to work I have a 100 mile roundtrip, it very smooth and well composed on A/B roads, I would of liked to take the car further but wouldn’t want to put up with it day to day, this will do me, a marked improvement on standard.

Extra power, Meh, my car was performing pretty well prior to the remap (Dyno’d at Stock SS figures before remap :D) don’t notice much of a bump after it, the car has changed but its minimal, biggest improvement is the tweak to the normal throttle map, unfortunately SS map hasn’t improved early rev limit in low gears etc. Air Filter has allowed more noise from the turbo, makes it sound more like a rally car, I like this :), exhaust has improved the engine note, it’s still very much quiet and usable, just deeper, more purposeful, spending over 3 hours a day in the car this is good for me.

Brakes – find myself stopping short a lot, there is a lot more initial bite which is the cause of the this but has resulted in a lack of feel in the pedal, old setup was very progressive, the amount of pressure I apply translating to appreciable equal amount of retardation in the car, very nice, I was in control, new setup is like sport mode for brakes, everything delivered in first prod of brakes and nothing more with further pressure, not very good in my opinion.

I am hoping the behavior might change when I get some proper heat cycling into them on track, too much personal stuff going on in my life at the mo to play with cars. At the moment its very much a case  of wouldn’t recommend it :( By product of the brakes better initial bite is that TTC now works more aggressively, might sound like a good thing as its supposed to be a good LSD mimic, TTC unfortunately is arse and you can’t turn it off, now it’s too aggressive, too much speed lost, really need to ditch electronics in next Abarth or make it switchable as I won’t buy another if it’s more of the same. Much prefer how the car and electronics performed on the old brakes which due to the less effective bite let me manage understeer with my right foot and never got in my way.

Summary is esseesse worth it, for me, no! I bought it as I was enjoying the Evo and wanted a bit more from it and feel the car was good enough fun that it was worth spending some dough on it, I do like the wheels and suspension though, add these to an APE and perhaps visit TMC, you’ll do better with your dough, of course excepting possible warranty/reliability implications.

« Last Edit: February 02, 2012, 02:54:53 pm by sandys »

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    Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
    « Reply #181 on: February 13, 2012, 12:35:04 pm »
    Seems I have to retract some of my comments regarding brakes as I have been able to rid the car of its snatchy brake nature  :thumb:  was really getting on my nerves,  so gave them some serious punishment the other day, many, many controlled decelerations to the point of fade and the brakes have come back to me, I am a lot happier now  8) , I thought I would have done enough with early driving and the odd bit of exhuberance, it would seem that is not the case, even after the mileage I had done they weren't working right, car felt like it was over servo'd.

    All apparently sorted now, seems predictable again, car brakes well  8) Happy days  :thumb: I should know better and have done a lot more testing as they just didn't seem right  :-[

    I did ask about bedding in and was told that I didn't need to go to the lengths I have done, probably true if you drive more aggressive day to day, I don't really. Seems that a proper bed in procedure is required though for best performance.

    Loving my APESS right now, I do still wonder if I should have gone aftermarket but you tread a fine line between improving performance and ruining the car when things are taken to extremes, I need to do a fair bit of mileage in this and I want to enjoy it as much on the day to day as I do at other times, track days are secondary, as it stands the SS is better than a stock Evo and the stock Evo is already very good, objectively the kit has done its job.

    S'pose to help others i'll add in a procedure that was similar to what I followed, from Brembo.

    Example Bed in procedure

      [*]While the vehicle is stationary, pump brakes to ensure a firm pedal.
      [*]Drive the vehicle cautiously to test fit and function.
      [*]The brakes should be smooth, with no vibrations, judder, etc.
      [*]Drive the vehicle to a remote area and perform at least 30 brake applications of 3-second duration. Use light/medium deceleration with varying starting speeds. Leave at least ½ mile between each brake application.
      [*]The purpose of this procedure is to gradually increase the temperature in the components without inducing thermal shock, and to mate the brake pad and disc friction surfaces.
      [*]After the repeated stops, drive the vehicle for several miles with little or no braking in order to adequately cool the components.
      [*]After the above process is completed, the system is ready for normal use.
      [*]When the system achieves elevated brake temperatures for the first time, a slight increase in pedal travel and pedal effort may occur. After this first "fade" and proper cooling, the system will maintain its optimum performance at all temperatures.
    « Last Edit: February 13, 2012, 12:45:37 pm by sandys »

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    Re: Abarth Punto Evo esseesse
    « Reply #182 on: August 04, 2012, 10:57:37 am »
    Finally got my Evo SS on the dyno and the kit has given me the increase promised, car is running 195bhp and. 218lbs of torque :-D

    The car put out SS figures pre kit so was unsure as to the gains the kit would give, while it felt a touch stronger, the SS map took some aggression out of the throttle map making the car easier to drive but also meant it never felt like a huge difference.
    « Last Edit: August 04, 2012, 10:59:22 am by sandys »