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Re: The Abarth Brand & Fiat - Old & New
« Reply #30 on: September 03, 2009, 04:58:47 pm »
It's a lightly tuned FIAT.  I've no problem with that  :wave:

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    Re: The Abarth Brand & Fiat - Old & New
    « Reply #31 on: September 05, 2009, 12:21:17 am »
    The history of Abarth is quite interesting and lots has been written about the pre Fiat takeover (1971) cars. A fair amount is also known about the post Fiat takeover cars. Mainly rally cars like the Fiat Abarth 124, 131 and Lancia 037, S4, HF4WD, integrales and the Strada road cars. And everyone now knows about the brand relaunch.

    What isn't very well known is the history between the last factory supported integrale Group A rally cars (Abarth SE 050) of 1992 and the relaunch.

    This is what I know:-

    Abarth moves from Corso Marche to Chivasso in 1993 and has a name change to Fiat Auto Corse. The name then changes again to N Techonlogy in about 2000, but this company is only 30% owned by Fiat. Fiat Auto Corse and N Technology were basically the Fiat competitions department.

    Fiat Auto Corse produced Fiat Cinquento and Seicento rally cars.

    N Technology produced Alfa Romeo Touring / rally cars, Fiat Abarth rally cars and Ferrari GT cars. The Fiat cars were the Panda Abarth Rally, Punto Abarth Rally Super 1600, Stilo Abarth Rallye Super 1600, Palio Abarth Rallye Super 1600 and Grande Punto Abarth Rallye Super 2000.

    The Fiat Cinquento, Seicento, Punto and Stilo road cars with Abarth badges are just Fiats with pretty badges and I am sure had no involvement from either of the above companies.

    The Fiat Grande Punto Abarth Rallye Super 2000 was developed and built by N Technology and then something happened in 2006 / 2007 and I think that maybe Fiat sold their share of the company, as the newer Grande Punto S2000's are registered as Abarths in line with the Abarth relaunch. N Technology stopped being involved with Fiat Group cars and went into receivership in 2008 due to lack of funding.

    I think that it has been mentioned on here in the past where the Abarth competitions department is now based and where they build the rally cars, but I can't remember whether it is still at Chivasso?

    If anyone else knows of any more information on this period, I would be interested to know.
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    Re: The Abarth Brand & Fiat - Old & New
    « Reply #32 on: September 05, 2009, 08:41:58 am »
    There is a lot going on behind the scenes in that "quiet" period. Many of the skilled Abarth engineers went on to work in semi-independent companies, still specialising in Fiats for competition and did very well for themselves (for example Supergara). This expertise was pulled back in a couple of years ago as part of the plan to restart Abarth as the official tuning brand as opposed to the skin-deep decorations it had been responsible for in the prior fifteen years.

    A lot of those small companies have folded or been absorbed now from what I've heard but it also appears that the seperation from Fiat/Abarth and those small companies was very thin and those companies became the recruiting ground or specialist suppliers.
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    Re: The Abarth Brand & Fiat - Old & New
    « Reply #33 on: September 05, 2009, 08:53:03 am »
    It's a lightly tuned FIAT.  I've no problem with that  :wave:

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    Re: The Abarth Brand & Fiat - Old & New
    « Reply #34 on: September 06, 2009, 02:28:46 pm »
    This picture may interest you (if you've not seen it before).
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    Re: The Abarth Brand & Fiat - Old & New
    « Reply #35 on: September 07, 2009, 09:27:50 am »
    I presume that the A500 is built entirely in Poland rather than assembled there (minus a few bits) and then shipped to Abarth in Italy for final installation of the bespoke bits.
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    Re: The Abarth Brand & Fiat - Old & New
    « Reply #36 on: September 07, 2009, 09:30:55 am »
    I presume that the A500 is built entirely in Poland rather than assembled there (minus a few bits) and then shipped to Abarth in Italy for final installation of the bespoke bits.
    Yes?

    Completely built in the Tychy plant in Poland, on the same production line as the F500.

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    Re: The Abarth Brand & Fiat - Old & New
    « Reply #37 on: September 07, 2009, 09:43:13 am »
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    Re: The Abarth Brand & Fiat - Old & New
    « Reply #38 on: September 07, 2009, 10:37:31 am »
    Just as a note, the AGP is put together on the same line as the normal GP, it is only the motor sport cars i.e the S2000 and 500 AC that are re-engineered seperately from their main production lines by Abarth. The S2000 is even more special as that, from what I've heard, starts life as a vanilla GP and is then rally prepped.

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    Re: The Abarth Brand & Fiat - Old & New
    « Reply #39 on: September 07, 2009, 01:51:11 pm »

    Couple of pics from the Tychy plant where they make the A500/F500 and the Ford KA..


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    Re: The Abarth Brand & Fiat - Old & New
    « Reply #40 on: September 07, 2009, 04:24:29 pm »
    Just as a note, the AGP is put together on the same line as the normal GP, it is only the motor sport cars i.e the S2000 and 500 AC that are re-engineered seperately from their main production lines by Abarth. The S2000 is even more special as that, from what I've heard, starts life as a vanilla GP and is then rally prepped.

    So, that 'vanilla' gp. Is that another variation of Abarth's 'whitish' colours or a nice shade of brown?

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    Re: The Abarth Brand & Fiat - Old & New
    « Reply #41 on: September 07, 2009, 05:31:08 pm »
    Is this the 'vanilla' gp ??

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    Re: The Abarth Brand & Fiat - Old & New
    « Reply #42 on: September 07, 2009, 06:06:27 pm »
    Is this the 'vanilla' gp ??


    No. that's the Diesel rally car, as below:-

    "Abarth Grande Punto Oro Diesel - Emphasising its committment to grass roots rallying and in developing performance diesel power, Abarth introduced the new Trofeo Oro Diesel championship this year. It follows in a long line of historical Abarth promotional championships and made a perfect 'step up' for crews from the popular Panda Cup. Contested by identical-specification Multijet-powered Grande Puntos, turned into potent track machines courtesy of a comprehensive 30,000 euro kit, the inaugural championship would be fought out over six most-asphalt surface events, with five of these being part of the prestigious Italian Rally Championship. The cars feature 1.9-litre turbocharged engines with 175 bhp (at 4,500 rom) and peak torque of 36 kgm (at 1,500rpm), 6-speed sequential gearboxes, twin-plate ceramic clutches, limited slip differentials, uprated driveshafts and brakes, larger anti-roll bars and 17-inch wheels."

    Info taken from italiaspeed. Currently go for about 40-50,000 euros IIRC.
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