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Tuning & Modifications => Abarth Grande Punto => Topic started by: AlexK on November 06, 2008, 02:42:27 pm

Title: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: AlexK on November 06, 2008, 02:42:27 pm
Probably one for John and Chunky, but can any of the Esseesse components be ordered separately?

Say, for instance, a customer just wants the exhaust upgrade.

(because they're a tart and want it to sound better but don't want aftermarket fitment issues or warranty hassles)  ;D
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: magicmole on November 06, 2008, 02:50:05 pm
Apparently the EsseEsse exhaust upgrade is just a backbox.

Full systems are available elsewhere, Ragazzon being an example.I've ordered the backbox and intend ordering the rest after Christmas.

I've decided against the EsseEsse kit. Apart from any other reason, I don't want the supplied tyres and would prefer to stick to 17" wheels.
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: domc on November 06, 2008, 03:30:49 pm
Everything has a price! So i reckon you can
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: Gofra on November 06, 2008, 03:34:43 pm
Can anyone confirm that the Esse Esse exhaust is just the back box? Theres a guy selling barely used pieces separately (from Italy) and I might be interested in buying it...

Frane
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: John501 on November 06, 2008, 03:40:04 pm
All parts available in the Esse Esse Kit are available through Abarth dealer parts departments. I haven't worked the figures out myself, but we were told in Turin, that if you ordered all the parts from the Esse Esse kit separately, it would work out about 60% more expensive.
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: chunkymonkey on November 06, 2008, 06:31:10 pm
Can anyone confirm that the Esse Esse exhaust is just the back box? Theres a guy selling barely used pieces separately (from Italy) and I might be interested in buying it...

Frane

yeah its a slightly wider bore, seemed slightly larger tailpipes, makes a dignified burble with the BMC air filter in too.

the other exhaust components changed are the manifold so the garrett will fit, and the cat section.
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: Gofra on November 06, 2008, 07:03:18 pm
The guy I was interested buying the exhaust from confirmed, that the SS only has the back part of exhaust different? How come? So there IS also a different manifold and cat section?

Thnx

Frane
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: chunkymonkey on November 06, 2008, 07:10:09 pm
yeah definitely different.

the manifold gasket is also the heatshield backing for the new turbo.

the manifold is different so the garrett will fit, and from memory had more slots cut in it to stop it cracking between branches.

the cat is close coupled and joins directly to the new turbo. the flange is completely different to the cat that fits the IMI and reminds me of the way the coupe 20v turbo front pipe is coupled to the turbo, rather than a bolt-on unit.
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: Gofra on November 06, 2008, 07:39:39 pm
So, would keeping the old IHI and putting on the SS exhaust make any sense at all?

Thank you!

Frane
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: chunkymonkey on November 06, 2008, 09:58:53 pm
you may get a few bhp and a different exhaust note, but its not going to be anything earth shakingly different IMO.
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: Gofra on November 06, 2008, 10:02:53 pm
Thanx!

Frane
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: AlexK on November 07, 2008, 04:17:24 pm
Personally, I'm not bothered about power gains, but I would like it to sound like an Italian car should.

John501, any chance I could entice you into asking your parts guy to dig out part numbers and prices for the back box and BMC air filter?

Chunky, I assume there's no problem fitting the Esseesse back box to the existing system?
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: chunkymonkey on November 07, 2008, 07:21:01 pm
no problems, the new backbox comes with a joiner piece included so you just cut the existing backbox and fit the new.
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: magicmole on November 08, 2008, 05:53:46 pm
Hi Chunky

You say you need to cut the back box? Is the system in one piece then?

I haven't been under the car properly yet.
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: chunkymonkey on November 08, 2008, 06:59:36 pm
hiya.

the rear silencer is part of the centre exhaust section, i cant remember if there is a flange just after the flexi joint or it continues all the way to the close-coupled cat though.

its the same sort of set-up as a mk2 punto, its all one-piece from pretty much the engine bay of the car upto and including the rear silencer and then you cut the centre/rear section to fit a new backbox.   

not sure why they do it that way, it looks as though the exhaust system is put on before the rear axle is fitted.
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: magicmole on November 09, 2008, 08:52:04 am
Thanks.

They don't exactly make it easy for replacements, do they?
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: chunkymonkey on November 09, 2008, 11:12:16 am
its something fiat have always tended to do, the rear silencer is nearly always part of the mid section.

seems alot of waste to me, i guess thats why theyve changed it on most models.
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: magicmole on November 09, 2008, 05:46:25 pm
I assume you just drop the back box to cut the pipe. You don't need to remove anything else.
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: chunkymonkey on November 09, 2008, 09:49:36 pm
I assume you just drop the back box to cut the pipe. You don't need to remove anything else.

yes.
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: magicmole on November 10, 2008, 09:25:19 am
Cheers.

I ordered the Ragazzon back box naively assuming that the GPA exhaust system was multi-part like most others.

I should have checked first. ::)
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: magicmole on November 10, 2008, 12:01:01 pm
I called in at the dealer today, they have a kit on display. No demonstrator until January probably.

I didn't realise you get an uprated clutch.

The backbox doesn't look like stainless steel though.
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: John501 on November 10, 2008, 12:52:18 pm
The uprated clutch is only on the very early models, I don't know what chassis number they stop at, but i'm sure chunkey monkey will be able to enlighten us.
Which dealer is it that doesn't have an Esse Esse demo? It is part of the minimum standards to have both models available to drive.
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: magicmole on November 10, 2008, 02:05:25 pm
Autoworld, Chesterfield
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: chunkymonkey on November 10, 2008, 05:54:11 pm
the chassis cut off for the clutch replacement is 00431580.

apparently its unlikely any of them will be in the uk though.
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: magicmole on November 10, 2008, 08:19:38 pm
Looks like you get a spare clutch then?
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: chunkymonkey on November 10, 2008, 09:44:50 pm
im sure i read somewhere that dealers are invited to put the clutches into stock for when any cars come in that may need the uprated one.

john501's went into stock, the rest will be left in the customer's boxes.

along with those lovely graphite grey original wheels, just sat there, doing nothing..........  :'( ;)
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: domc on November 10, 2008, 09:59:02 pm
What can you do with all those parts, can they easily be sold on?
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: OPC on November 10, 2008, 10:11:35 pm
You can't do jack sh*t with them. That's what is silly about the ss kit being a dealer fit aftermarket kit. Two boxes full of crap.

Okay, so you might use the wheels as spares, or with different tyres for road, track, or winter. And you might be able to sell some bits as spares to someone with a standard Abarth, but it is still all hassle.

If it was factory fitted it would be cheaper, probably about £16K and you wouldn't need parts fitting twice. So you might have to pay higher road tax, so what!

Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: domc on November 10, 2008, 10:19:24 pm
Well the price of scrap metal is good at the moment, and you could buy a piece of glass and make the wooden case into a coffee table.
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: AlexK on November 10, 2008, 11:31:22 pm
...coffee table.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3287/2648522347_1a28d477e3.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: maccy. on November 10, 2008, 11:56:15 pm
is it right that the standard abarth alloys will not fit a normal grande punto?
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: John501 on November 11, 2008, 10:04:26 am
Chunky Monkey is quite right, the clutch does go back into stock if it is not used. That is the only part of the kit that you are not charged for. If your car needed the clutch upgrade, it would take Chunky another 2 hours to upgrade the car, but the additional cost does not get passed onto you.
The parts that come back to you, will only fit an Abarth. The stud spacings are different on the wheels, they wont go onto a Fiat G.P.
The idea of the dealers fitting the kits is not about trying to get more money out of you, it is about sticking to the tradition of Karl Abarth modifing cars with skilled mechanics. I am not going to tell you how much we make out of selling and fitting the kits, but it is very, very little.
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: domc on November 11, 2008, 10:03:33 pm
...coffee table.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3287/2648522347_1a28d477e3.jpg?v=0)

Yeah just like that. Maybe you should get some abarth mug coasters with the Esseesse kit.
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: domc on November 12, 2008, 09:28:49 pm
If you had an esse esse kit fitted from new couldnt fiat or the dealers parts department buy the old parts back off you to put into stock. Or maybe you could have an abarth forum parts bin so that when someone damages a wheel or has a crash  you can all sell parts to each other.
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: chunkymonkey on November 12, 2008, 09:42:20 pm
the parts bin is a great idea.

the dealer buying back from you, IMO, wouldnt work. there would be such a minefield to navigate with parts being classed as second hand, not under parts warranty etc.

it may work if fiat bought them back and classed them as reconditioned though i guess. i doubt its something they would ever entertain mind.

we kinda questioned the logic behind it when in italy, especially the fact that youd have to bring a luton with you to take home your parts, and we were simply told the customer owns those parts, it is part of their car whether fitted or not.

if it was me i would probably only ask for the handling kit box back, however i can see a few of the turbo's/manifolds and backboxes finding their way onto e-bay pretty soon, i would imagine they would be a useful source of spares for an abarth/t-jet enthusiast, plus im not sure what else the IMI turbo is used on outside the fiat range.
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: John501 on November 12, 2008, 09:46:24 pm
We cant buy the parts back into stock because they have been fitted to the car and therefore classed as used parts. If you decide not to drag your 2 large crates home with you and leave with us, we cannot re-sell those parts because we do not own them. We then have to damage those parts beyond repair and scrap them  :'(. A forum used parts section would be a great idea.
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: domc on November 12, 2008, 09:51:08 pm
Well i'm buying abarthbay.com so you can all advertise you old parts on there... ha ha ;D
Title: Re: Can Esseesse components be ordered separately?
Post by: AlexK on November 12, 2008, 09:59:06 pm
Quite happy to set something up once people start having kits fitted.

I wouldn't mind a spare wheel or two for instance.  And brake discs will always find a home.