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Offline Stuann

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Gtech
« on: January 13, 2009, 01:08:10 am »
Has anybody experience of these German electronic tuning boxes for GPA. 183CV e 285Nm .Plug in and go play. :o

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    Offline maccy.

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    Re: Gtech
    « Reply #1 on: January 13, 2009, 10:10:37 am »
    no, iv'e never used a plug and play type of mod, to me its doing nothin buy 'tricking' your car into thinking its something its not.

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    Re: Gtech
    « Reply #2 on: January 13, 2009, 11:20:42 am »
    I've heard about some very very pleasantly surprised and happy customers of this module ;) Of course, no one knows how it will work long term...

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    Re: Gtech
    « Reply #3 on: January 13, 2009, 11:48:56 pm »
    I have one, here is my review, taken from another topci:

    Abouth the GTECH Ecu (190bhp with ecu and exhaust): wow, it's (the GPA) a beast: the GPA can skid in third gear and it 's like an old turbo car. I'm pushed back to the seat every time the turbo starts taking air to the cylinders.  The good thing is that in every gear, when i floor the pedal I am pushed to the seat, event in sixth gear! The second gear looks like a first gear...

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    Re: Gtech
    « Reply #4 on: January 14, 2009, 11:19:47 pm »
    I have one, here is my review, taken from another topci:

    Abouth the GTECH Ecu (190bhp with ecu and exhaust): wow, it's (the GPA) a beast: the GPA can skid in third gear and it 's like an old turbo car. I'm pushed back to the seat every time the turbo starts taking air to the cylinders.  The good thing is that in every gear, when i floor the pedal I am pushed to the seat, event in sixth gear! The second gear looks like a first gear...

    The Esseesse has the same side effects, you know...!
    Ex-Abarthian BL08BLZ... GPA-SS (180) === Velocity Red Body/Charcoal Grey Wheels...

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    Re: Gtech
    « Reply #5 on: January 15, 2009, 09:26:39 am »
    I have one, here is my review, taken from another topci:

    Abouth the GTECH Ecu (190bhp with ecu and exhaust): wow, it's (the GPA) a beast: the GPA can skid in third gear and it 's like an old turbo car. I'm pushed back to the seat every time the turbo starts taking air to the cylinders.  The good thing is that in every gear, when i floor the pedal I am pushed to the seat, event in sixth gear! The second gear looks like a first gear...

    The Esseesse has the same side effects, you know...!

    not that im for this Gtech BUT, its less than half the price of the ss!!!!
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    Re: Gtech
    « Reply #6 on: January 15, 2009, 09:57:50 am »
    So an ECU upgrade with the standard turbo can get 190bhp?
    How's the power delivery?

    I find the current turbo delivery a little "elastic".  The new Garret turbo in the SS kit seems to enable a more linear power delivery.
    Can't see how I'd want more than 200bhp / 300ftlb in the GPA, mind you I've not got it on track yet  ;)

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    Re: Gtech
    « Reply #7 on: January 15, 2009, 10:35:22 am »
    Half the price of the SS? AFAIK, its 1/5th of the price of the KIT. Of course, there's only power gains...

    I've been thinking of doing the upgrade but I'm scared how this might work long term. How reliable do you guys this 1.4 litre engine is? Can it deal with more boost normaly?

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    Re: Gtech
    « Reply #8 on: January 15, 2009, 11:53:38 am »
    Half the price of the SS? AFAIK, its 1/5th of the price of the KIT. Of course, there's only power gains...

    I've been thinking of doing the upgrade but I'm scared how this might work long term. How reliable do you guys this 1.4 litre engine is? Can it deal with more boost normaly?

    cant see why not the 500 Abarth Assetto Corse is still a 1.4 and thats 197 hp and 221 lbs-ft
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    Re: Gtech
    « Reply #9 on: January 15, 2009, 12:01:29 pm »
    The 500 AC does have a few more mods to the engine, I think if you look at the A500 being spiked to 160 without a turbo change and the GP needing one I think you can look that Fiat believe it wouldn't be long term reliable much beyond 170~175 without mods. Although they are probably being conservative for longevity. I know of a Mito owner in Holland is having his 155 pushed to 197 just with software.

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    Re: Gtech
    « Reply #10 on: January 15, 2009, 12:14:34 pm »
    So an ECU upgrade with the standard turbo can get 190bhp?
    How's the power delivery?

    I find the current turbo delivery a little "elastic".  The new Garret turbo in the SS kit seems to enable a more linear power delivery.
    Can't see how I'd want more than 200bhp / 300ftlb in the GPA, mind you I've not got it on track yet  ;)

    Sorry, i have to detail more: the CHIP/ECU delivers around 183hp. I replaced also the exhuast ("central" pipe + tail pipe") with 70mm gtech and the air filter (BMC). A friend checked his GPA with the same mods on a dyno, and it was 191 hp.

    The news yesterday is that Alfa Romeo will deliver a reliable 170hp Mi.To, probably with no mods on the stock engine (wich is the same as the Punto Abarth). 170hp with ecu reflesh only, with Alfa warranty.

    About the power delivery: it remains like the original stock car, but with more power at every rev. At high revs you still have to shift, it's not like the EsseEsse, beacuse the stock turbo is very small. SO, with the gtech ECU you won't have the EsseEsse feeling at high revs, but the car will remain similar to the stock, beacuse GTECH keeps low pressures on high revs.

    For example, with the stock you have to change at 5000rpm, with the gtech at 5500rpm and feel the power (With the EsseEsse at 6000)
    « Last Edit: January 15, 2009, 12:17:32 pm by 1RV1N »

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    Re: Gtech
    « Reply #11 on: January 15, 2009, 11:01:54 pm »
    An italian company called scorpiantuning has a Tjet running at 265bhp so at sub 200bhp your no way near its limits. You could easily see 300bhp out of it like GT's were capable of. Reliability well who knows untill its tried  ;D Im aiming to get close to the 200bhp mark this year in my Tjet with normal abarth turbo, supersprint exhaust, new cams and an intercooler with better flow rates but it depends on if i can get insured, if the mapping issue with abarth turbo gets sorted and if anything else will need replacing like fuel pump, injectors etc.

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    Re: Gtech
    « Reply #12 on: January 16, 2009, 11:48:10 am »
    @ punto matt: in this case it would be cheaper to just upgrade it with SS kit. Plus, you get to keep the waranty ;)

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    Re: Gtech
    « Reply #13 on: January 16, 2009, 12:42:52 pm »
    It will be cheaper your right but i dont have a big chunk of cash available to me to sell my car and then buy an Abarth and upgrade it to SS. I like the fact that there wont be that many Tjets that will be running the power i hope to be running so it will suprise alot of people and be a nice subtle sleeper.

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    Re: Gtech
    « Reply #14 on: January 16, 2009, 09:31:37 pm »
    just a quick one where is this "plug and play" actually pluged into... does it go straight into the ECU? - its not somehting iv every had anything to do with.;
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