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Abarth Cars => Abarth Grande Punto => Topic started by: MattP on October 28, 2008, 08:29:45 pm

Title: Abarth questions from newbie...
Post by: MattP on October 28, 2008, 08:29:45 pm

Hello everyone,

I popped into the Research Abarth dealer in Coventry at the weekend to look at the Grande Punto and I think it's fantastic. Spoke to a very nice chap called Ian who very kindly answered some questions. But I've just found this forum and wouldn't mind some feedback from some proud owners. My questions are:

Have you enjoyed the driving experience so far?
I'm 38...Do you think a car like this is just for young dudes? I would buy a white one too as I think it's the best colour.
What is the prediction for holding it's value?
What appeals to me is it's exclusivity...will that change as eveyone is hearing how good it is!?
How good/bad is the fuel consumption?

Cheers
Matt





Title: Re: Abarth questions from newbie...
Post by: magicmole on October 28, 2008, 08:39:20 pm
Hi Matt

Welcome to the forum.

Young dudes? I'm 59 and on my second, third,something or other childhood.

The car is great, the most fun I've had with a car in years.

Depreciation? It's a new car, you're going to lose money on it, but hopefully not too much.But then I'd rather lose a bit more and enjoy the car than save a bit and drive something forgettable. Six weeks in and I still turn round to have a look at it when I leave it parked. It draws a lot of attention too, more even than the yellow Barchetta I had before.

I've been driving with the 'Sport' mode turned on for the past two weeks and am getting 32mpg. You'd probably get better consumption if you switched modes as appropriate. I just like the feel and response in 'Sport' mode.
Title: Re: Abarth questions from newbie...
Post by: AlexK on October 28, 2008, 09:34:29 pm
Hey Matt.  Here's my take on it:

Have you enjoyed the driving experience so far?

Absolutely, no regrets.  I find the car's character seems to change to match my mood.  If I want to dawdle, the car helps out with fluid controls and a perfectly judged clutch action.  If I want to blast past someone, there always seems to be the right amount of shove instantly available, no matter what gear I'm in.

I'm 38...Do you think a car like this is just for young dudes? I would buy a white one too as I think it's the best colour.

I'm 34.  I don't think the Saxo crowd are going to understand what Abarth means, so the way I see it, most Abarth buyers are going to be 30+.

What is the prediction for holding it's value?

I haven't seen the official figures from CAP yet, but any car available in limited numbers that receives a positive reception is going to do well.  I'm not worried about this at all.

What appeals to me is it's exclusivity...will that change as eveyone is hearing how good it is!?

None of the Abarth models will ever be sold in huge numbers as I understand it, so it should always retain a healthy degree of exclusivity.  It's a bit of a riot at the moment - I was collecting someone from the train station the other day and some guy ran through traffic to come over and talk about the car.  Something like that has happened every time I park the car so far.

How good/bad is the fuel consumption?

I tend not to hang around and my trip computer currently says 35mpg.

Anything else you wanna ask, fire away!
Title: Re: Abarth questions from newbie...
Post by: OPC on October 28, 2008, 10:00:03 pm
Welcome to the forum Matt. Definitely not just for young guys, although I'm only 34 myself. Is that old? I think that anyone who loves driving can drive a car like this and be proud of it. I know a few guys that are getting fed up of the power wars going on with other makes. More weight, more power, more fuel, etc. etc. and you have to do 150mph to get any sense of speed. They are seriously thinking about going down the small hot hatch, or lightweight sports car route.

I think that Abarth could be onto a winner with the Grande Punto, 500 and other projects like a coupe, or spider???

You'll lose money on a new car, but you will get the piece of mind that a new car brings. I think that the Grande Punto will be rare compared to the 500, as that is what most people seem to be interested in.

Good luck if you go for one, I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
Title: Re: Abarth questions from newbie...
Post by: John501 on October 29, 2008, 10:47:27 am
OK, I'll try to have a stab at this one.
When we took the franchise, I was expecting a long line of 18 year old test pilots cramming through the doors, it has actually been the complete oposite.
The average age of people is between 30 and 55, currently own a perfomance hatch, (the most common PX is the golf R32) and suprisingly are covering between 18 to 30000 miles a year.
I think the reasons for this are:
1, The kids cant afford the insurance on the Abarth.
2, Abarth has been absent from the U.K. for many years now, so the current youngsters have been brought up with RS and ST as the main performance models.
3, People are now realising that running a Diesel is not as cheap as it used to be, so a small engine petrol witha bit of performance is more attractive.

As far as residuals go, the guides wont publish prices for Abarth yet because they haven't got a clue how it will hold its money, so they dont want to get it wrong. If you get a PCP quote on a GP Abarth from Fiat Financial Services they are showing a gaurenteed future value of a 3 year old GP with 36000 miles on it at £3900. You must remember that this is a Minimum future value, so they always set it lower than it will actaully be worth. Every car usually devalues about 60% in 3 years, so a rough figure of between £5000 - £5500 would probably be a safe ish bet.
 
It will remain quite exclusive in the U.K. because we wont be able to get the mass numbers, of lets say Fiat. That will have the knock on effect of there not being any pre-registered cars availble through the car supermarkets, thus keeping the price again.

I've got to say that this is the only car that i've had for a while that puts a broad smile on my face on the way to work, had one for over a month now and its not getting old yet.

As far as fuel goes, I can't really comment because:
1, I run mine on super unleaded
2, My right foot is very heavy  :D

All in all, I think that you will struggle to get anything in todays market place that will give you better value for money, and be such a joy to drive.
Title: Re: Abarth questions from newbie...
Post by: MattP on October 29, 2008, 01:18:24 pm
Thank you for all of your replies and views gents. That's a great help and all sounds good.....I'll certainly book a test drive as soon as I can get the time to go.

Then I guess it would be justifying the purchase. I already have a 1 year old fully specced Fiat GP Sporting (Mjet) with all the goodies so I'll expect the same on an Abarth....leather/skydome etc. As you can imagine my biggest fear is the money I'll lose on selling up so soon or trade in price.

We'll see ;D
Title: Re: Abarth questions from newbie...
Post by: fiona on October 29, 2008, 03:23:04 pm
Hi Matt,

Just wanted to say that I got my car from Ian at Research and thought they were good guys.  We got a good px for our old Fiat (although we did do it just before the end of a quarter).  Autoworld in Chesterfield couldn't give us the deal we wanted but the salesman there was also a nice chap. 

Shop around a bit to see what deal you get on your px.  We in the Midlands are lucky to have quite a few Abarth dealers (Stoke, Rockingham, Nuneaton, Chesterfield).
Title: Re: Abarth questions from newbie...
Post by: MattP on October 30, 2008, 07:15:08 pm
Hi Matt,

Just wanted to say that I got my car from Ian at Research and thought they were good guys.  We got a good px for our old Fiat (although we did do it just before the end of a quarter).  Autoworld in Chesterfield couldn't give us the deal we wanted but the salesman there was also a nice chap. 

Shop around a bit to see what deal you get on your px.  We in the Midlands are lucky to have quite a few Abarth dealers (Stoke, Rockingham, Nuneaton, Chesterfield).

Thanks Fiona....good advice. Yeah, the Midlands ain't bad is it ;D
Title: Re: Abarth questions from newbie...
Post by: matt owens on November 02, 2008, 04:30:28 pm
Hi Matt,

I have had my Abarth since August and it is excellent to drive, I have owned a couple of mark2 Punto's a Panda 100hp and an Alfa 145, and it is a vast improvement on all of those. I have not switched the sport mode off since collecting it and still get around 37mpg. It is a good motorway cruiser, and still good fun on B-roads too.

It does seem quite exclusive, I am yet to see another in the south east, and I think it may stay that way due to the low numbers coming to the U.K. and that most Abarths sold are likely to be 500's.

If you are still looking for one Lipscombe have an ex demonstrator just come up for sale, but it is advertised as price on application.
Title: Re: Abarth questions from newbie...
Post by: maccy. on November 04, 2008, 12:42:55 am
seems im the baby of the abarth group so far @ 25!!
Title: Re: Abarth questions from newbie...
Post by: DevilAndGod on November 04, 2008, 04:33:17 pm
seems im the baby of the abarth group so far @ 25!!

I'm 20   ::)
Title: Re: Abarth questions from newbie...
Post by: chriskeegan on November 04, 2008, 05:47:22 pm
and im 22!  ;D

Am i the first one to choose Black ?  ???
Title: Re: Abarth questions from newbie...
Post by: DevilAndGod on November 04, 2008, 05:48:53 pm
and im 22!  ;D

Am i the first one to choose Black ?  ???

ooooo, when does it arrive? i think your the first on here with black.
Title: Re: Abarth questions from newbie...
Post by: Gofra on November 04, 2008, 06:00:42 pm
I'd go for it Matt.

After Panda 100HP, I was affraid I'd be unable to find a car that would put smile on my face and man, was I wrong...
Yes, it draws attention, yes its exclusive but lets be frank - we didn't buy an Abarth to blend in now did we ;) As for depreciation...I have no idea. Your market is different than ours, but in Slovenia I fear, the car will lose its initial value very fast (on the other hand, people just love to spend their money on old VWs :P)

Cars economy proved to be very acceptable - driving with Sportboost off mine does 8-8.5 L/100 km (mixed regime). Tap the magic button and you'll have difficulties droping under 9,5 - 10...at least I do.

Take care!


Frane
Title: Re: Abarth questions from newbie...
Post by: domc on November 04, 2008, 06:02:36 pm
Black i think is a great colour, how easy wood it be to put red wing mirrors and maybe red strips on a new one (do you think a dealer would do it for £100 if you bought a new one) seen it on a 500 abarth it looks ace...
Title: Re: Abarth questions from newbie...
Post by: Gofra on November 04, 2008, 06:06:53 pm
...as for colour - I was thinking black myself (saw it passing buy one day) until I could stand next to white one - its just amazing. Plus, it's trendy :P

Frane
Title: Re: Abarth questions from newbie...
Post by: DevilAndGod on November 04, 2008, 06:10:23 pm
Black i think is a great colour, how easy wood it be to put red wing mirrors and maybe red strips on a new one (do you think a dealer would do it for £100 if you bought a new one) seen it on a 500 abarth it looks ace...

Red wing mirrors would look a bit odd to me. Red stripe would be nice though. A dealer doing it for you? if you pay (maybe a bit more) i cant see them saying no. Money is money. John can answer this better though.

I've only ever had black cars. Was time for a change for me. Didn't think it stuck out enough for an GPA. but personal preference ofc  :)
Title: Re: Abarth questions from newbie...
Post by: chriskeegan on November 04, 2008, 06:30:50 pm
Yeah iv got a black sporting now and i love it! when its clean!! wouldn't have got my Abarth in any other colour.

It was ordered and paid for on October 3rd but is built to spec so arrival date is 20th November subject to change.

Not too sure about the red stripes and mirrors though...not really my cup of tea.  ::)
Title: Re: Abarth questions from newbie...
Post by: John501 on November 04, 2008, 06:35:46 pm
The only official stripes are red and white, the wing mirrors come in primer, so what you do with them after you've bought them is not my buisness. The covers just pull of and on, so take 2 minutes to fit after they have been sprayed.
Funny story, A customer bought a white Esse Esse last week. When questioned about putting the red wing mirror covers on, he replied "No thanks, my mates will think i've been down the scrappy, and can't get the right colour ones!!!". He did ring back later and had them fitted.
Title: Re: Abarth questions from newbie...
Post by: DevilAndGod on November 04, 2008, 06:40:43 pm
He did ring back later and had them fitted.

HAHA! great  ;D i was worried that red wing mirrors wouldnt go well with a skydome.. was thinking i would have to change them. I wont be doing that now though. It looks stunning with the red wing mirrors and skydome combo  ;D
Title: Re: Abarth questions from newbie...
Post by: chunkymonkey on November 04, 2008, 07:51:42 pm
None of the Abarth models will ever be sold in huge numbers as I understand it, so it should always retain a healthy degree of exclusivity.  It's a bit of a riot at the moment - I was collecting someone from the train station the other day and some guy ran through traffic to come over and talk about the car.  Something like that has happened every time I park the car so far.

someone did that to me when i had my gtv, i found it quite unnerving!
Title: Re: Abarth questions from newbie...
Post by: AlexK on November 04, 2008, 10:18:19 pm
Dropped someone off in town earlier and had a small crowd form around me.  I'm beginning to get a complex now!
Title: Re: Abarth questions from newbie...
Post by: John501 on November 04, 2008, 11:33:26 pm
Don't get a complex Alex, just means you've got a great car  ;D
Title: Re: Abarth questions from newbie...
Post by: domc on November 05, 2008, 10:39:51 am
Red wing mirrors would look a bit odd to me. Red stripe would be nice though. A dealer doing it for you? if you pay (maybe a bit more) i cant see them saying no. Money is money. John can answer this better though.

I've only ever had black cars. Was time for a change for me. Didn't think it stuck out enough for an GPA. but personal preference ofc  :)

I've seen a 500 abarth on ebay italy that is black with red mirrors, thats where i got the idea from looked really nice. Why are they letting the 500 get all the cool stickers and mirror options and just letting the gpa have it on option with white.  Such a shame