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Title: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: gillardy on November 27, 2008, 11:10:40 am
hi, we have had our GPA for couple of months now... and the brakes are still squealing like a pig... anyone else had the same   problem.. ? what can be done about it.. ??
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: Old Boy on November 27, 2008, 11:36:49 am
It's a feature of the pad composition &/or pad fit.

Pads are Ferodo and are more aggressive than normal road pads.  More akin to race pads, which put performance higher than quietness.  If you think they queal too much you should try proper race pads and race spec disks.  They make an awful racket on light applications.

If you really don't like it then you could try the following to dampen the vibration:

Put copperslip on the backs of the pads.

or

Put rubber anti-squeal shims on the back of the pads.

These could however affect the feel of the peddle (making it squishier).

You could always change pads to something softer like Greenstuff (if they do them), but be prepared to lose brake performance if you do.

 :)
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: John501 on November 27, 2008, 11:51:32 am
Book your car into the service department. If the brakes have done more than 1000 miles and have not stopped making the noise, then the back of the pads need some copper slip and that should improve the noise. As Old Boy says, because they are more of a racing disc and pads, they will be noisier than standard road car.
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: magicmole on November 27, 2008, 12:10:20 pm
2900 miles and my brakes still squeal as well when cold.

If i can get some heat into them, no problem, but as soon as I'm stuck in traffic, the disks cool and the squealing is back with a vengeance. Of course you can't give the brakes a good dab in traffic because they are so powerful.

My car's in the dealers next Saturday to have my Ragazzon exhaust fitted and they'll have another look at the brakes then.

Where do you get these rubber shims from? Is that the correct term for them?
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: John501 on November 27, 2008, 12:18:46 pm
I dont think you need to worry about shims, just a dab of good old fashioned copper slip should make the difference.
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: magicmole on November 27, 2008, 02:35:56 pm
Especially if applied to the brake discs. ;D

I once arrived at Charlie Browns just in time to stop one of their monkeys adding brake fluid to the radiator header tank.

My fault, of course, for going to Charlie Browns in the first instance. It was an emergency. Also the last time.
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: John501 on November 27, 2008, 02:49:47 pm
 ;D You are right though, apply the copper slip to the discs and you'll never need to worry about the brakes squeel again!!
(disclaimer. Please DO NOT apply copper slip to your brake discs, it may result in injury or death.)
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: gillardy on November 27, 2008, 06:54:30 pm
thanks for the tips... all booked in and waiting to be sorted...
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: chunkymonkey on November 27, 2008, 09:04:17 pm
not sure if its something that abarth have started fitting but when i was stripping john501's abarth to do the esseesse kit i noticed it didnt have any anti squeal shims fitted from the factory, the 2nd one did.

not sure if they were available separetely though. might be worth asking scorpion king.

theyre not rubber either, theyre metal, and theyre held to the pad by a large adhesive area that you peel a cover off and stick the shim to.

to do it belt and braces i would probably try and see if i could get those shims, then copper slip the pads and shims too.

as an addition to the horror stories about brakes on here, ive seen someone fit brake pads back to front in the caliper holders before!  :o :'(
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: Old Boy on November 27, 2008, 09:44:48 pm
I saw the new Ferodo pads on the esseesse kit had shims already on them.  Some pads do come like that from the factory.  You can buy stick on ones aftermarket which are rubberised (Mintex have them made by 3M I believe) and also metal ones (but only seen these for cars like Volvos).
Have to say I don't find the occasional squeal annoying, just reminds me I have some decent brakes rather than the usual Fiat dross. ;D
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: magicmole on November 27, 2008, 11:28:58 pm
Thanks to all.

If you're reading this Scorpion King, any chance you can find out about those shims please? I'm booked in on the 6th. December.

Unfortunately the squeal isn't occasional and is annoying during the morning commute. I also slow down for the last mile or so to let the turbo cool down a bit. Then the brakes cool and .....

Guaranteed to wake the neighbourhood late at night, especially when you live in the sticks.
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: Old Boy on November 28, 2008, 08:17:16 am
How many miles have you done?
Did you bed in the pads when new? This explains the process http://www.zeckhausen.com/bedding_in_brakes.htm

I'd try copperslip first as it's the simplest and cheapest solution.  You can do it yourself too.
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: magicmole on November 28, 2008, 09:16:41 am
Hi Thanks for the link.

I've done 2900 miles so far and I went through a reasonable break-in procedure. I used to be a race mechanic.

I could do it myself but after all the problems I had with my last car, I'm not touching it while it's under warranty.

If all else fails, new pads.
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: John501 on November 28, 2008, 10:12:59 am
I know its different pads, but the softer Esse Esse pads have not made any noise at all since they have been put on mine.
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: gillardy on November 28, 2008, 01:16:40 pm
had my brakes done this morning... miles better... copperslip is the miracle cure for the moment... !! thanks mike and john
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: chunkymonkey on November 28, 2008, 10:25:58 pm
its the first abarth ive heard with the legendary brake squeal, was suprised how loud it was! that must turn a few heads in traffic.......  :o

I know its different pads, but the softer Esse Esse pads have not made any noise at all since they have been put on mine.

thats because we copper slipped them!

gillardy's pads didnt have any anti squeal shims on either, so it seems a deglaze and copper slip is enough to sort the problem, i guess if this doesnt cure it long-term itll be a case of fitting new pads and hoping the shims come with the pads.

Thanks to all.

If you're reading this Scorpion King, any chance you can find out about those shims please? I'm booked in on the 6th. December.

Unfortunately the squeal isn't occasional and is annoying during the morning commute. I also slow down for the last mile or so to let the turbo cool down a bit. Then the brakes cool and .....

Guaranteed to wake the neighbourhood late at night, especially when you live in the sticks.

theres nothing on Eper that says the shims come seperately from what i can see. it looks as though they may come with a pad kit, but theres nothing specific to say they do.

Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: magicmole on November 29, 2008, 06:53:06 am
Thanks for that.

I'll see how it goes after they've been in for attention next week.
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: Gofra on November 30, 2008, 12:57:49 pm
Mine still squeel...and I've done 11.000 km...it sure turns some heads but it doesn't bother me that much. However, when anyone is riding with me I keep getting questions such as: Why couldn't they pack thais car with better brakes? It sounds cheap... :D

Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: Old Boy on December 01, 2008, 06:43:58 pm
Funny really when the pads and disks most cars use are shockingly cheaply made.  Just that if they don't squeal they must be better.  ::)

Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: magicmole on December 13, 2008, 11:47:27 am
The Abarth tech told me today that there is a solution for the squealing brakes on its way from Abarth. I don't know what this fix is.

Perhaps it is just a coicidence that the 500 is dioe to be released and potentially there could be a whole lot more complaints if that has the same problem.
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: John501 on December 13, 2008, 11:53:53 am
There used to be a problem with G.P. rear brakes squeeling when you reversed. That was cured by fitting rubber grommets to the bolts in the caliper.
The only problem with the noise when going forward is dryness and dust in the moving area of the pads. Maybe the fix from Abarth will be them actually putting copper slip in when they fit them in the factory.
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: chunkymonkey on February 24, 2009, 06:45:12 pm
still no official fix from abarth as far as im aware, but we had a GPA back in today that we'd copper slipped the pads on in november, and were squealing again.

last time it was in there were no anti squeal shims shown on e-per, so it was assumed they would come with the pads, however upon checking again there are now anti squeal shims available, so hopefully this will be a more permanent cure now!
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: magicmole on February 24, 2009, 06:51:42 pm
I had mine copper-slipped a couple of months ago and they only squeal intermittently now. I'll wait a while before getting those shims.
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: Missing in Action on February 25, 2009, 04:57:19 pm
just a quick one.... i havnt got copper slip on mine (else not that i am aware of). they did use to squeel when they where cold however now after 2Kmiles they very rarely do it....

may i ask how often do you clean your car? .... i know this sounds silly but i do mine once a week.... any longer and i do start noticing a little squeel.

John
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: magicmole on February 25, 2009, 05:18:26 pm
At least once a week.
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: Old Boy on February 25, 2009, 08:07:59 pm
Never done mine at all.  Got occasional squeak for the first couple of months, but now nothing at all.
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: Jet on February 25, 2009, 09:13:35 pm
We had Jet copper Slipped in January & although it's 98% better she still squeaks
from time to time...

Put it down to a girl thing...all cars that squeal must be girls because they like to make themselves heard...
Thats my theory anyway & I'm always right because I am a girl  ::)
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: domc on February 25, 2009, 09:20:23 pm
We had Jet copper Slipped in January & although it's 98% better she still squeaks
from time to time...

Put it down to a girl thing...all cars that squeal must be girls because they like to make themselves heard...
Thats my theory anyway & I'm always right because I am a girl  ::)

At least with your brakes when you take your foot off the noise stops.....  :whistle:

After doing 1500miles in my car the brakes have pretty muched stopped no copper slip on mine..
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: 1mmortal on March 11, 2009, 07:16:24 pm
hi, we have had our GPA for couple of months now... and the brakes are still squealing like a pig... anyone else had the same   problem.. ? what can be done about it.. ??
There are a few other posts about this in the GPA section - mine included. Best bet is to brake a little harder than you normally would, rather than feather the brakes. They werent designed to be driven slowly!
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: chunkymonkey on March 11, 2009, 07:58:10 pm
hi, we have had our GPA for couple of months now... and the brakes are still squealing like a pig... anyone else had the same   problem.. ? what can be done about it.. ??
There are a few other posts about this in the GPA section - mine included. Best bet is to brake a little harder than you normally would, rather than feather the brakes. They werent designed to be driven slowly!

there are anti squeal shims available now.
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: stevey293 on April 07, 2009, 07:02:09 pm
over 10000 miles in mine squeeling like mad and to make things even worse they took huge chunks out of my pad about 3000 miles ago promised me that would fix the squeal and instead just made my brakes shocking my old astra stopped faster. but i do still love the abarth
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: Missing in Action on April 07, 2009, 08:55:20 pm
over 10000 miles in mine squeeling like mad and to make things even worse they took huge chunks out of my pad about 3000 miles ago promised me that would fix the squeal and instead just made my brakes shocking my old astra stopped faster. but i do still love the abarth

christ ! they took chuncks out of it!!! .... its the build up of dust and the BACK of the pads that squeel..... surly taking chunks out of the actual pad is pure madness and just dangerous!!!
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: stevey293 on April 07, 2009, 08:57:15 pm
when i can get some better light i'll try to take a picture of just how much they took out but it was enough for me to go mad. they have been really good ever since and hopefully i'll be getting just the brakes from a ss kit at a discount or under waranty soon.
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: Missing in Action on April 07, 2009, 09:02:48 pm
when i can get some better light i'll try to take a picture of just how much they took out but it was enough for me to go mad. they have been really good ever since and hopefully i'll be getting just the brakes from a ss kit at a discount or under waranty soon.

i certainly would be going mental if ANYONE took chunks out of my pads - its just dangerous!

make sure they copper slip the backs of the pads along with the top and bottoms. its sorted mine out straight away. - ok its not a perminent fix but it only takes a maximum of 10 mins per corner
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: wampa on April 07, 2009, 09:25:37 pm
when i can get some better light i'll try to take a picture of just how much they took out but it was enough for me to go mad. they have been really good ever since and hopefully i'll be getting just the brakes from a ss kit at a discount or under waranty soon.

i certainly would be going mental if ANYONE took chunks out of my pads - its just dangerous!

make sure they copper slip the backs of the pads along with the top and bottoms. its sorted mine out straight away. - ok its not a perminent fix but it only takes a maximum of 10 mins per corner

I agree, I would have gone nuts when I found out, I wouldn't want to be paying anything for that kind of service.
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: John501 on April 07, 2009, 09:28:39 pm
Just get the new shims fitted. Problem solved  :thumb:
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: chunkymonkey on April 07, 2009, 09:29:43 pm
ask them to copper slip the contact points of the pads and fit the anti squeal shims.

ive seen slots cut in pads before on brembo brakes to stop them squealing, but how do you mean theyve taken chunks out of them?
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: JamesGPA on April 07, 2009, 10:02:17 pm
So are these anti squeel shims a proven cure then? If so I'd be tempted to send mine into the dealer :)
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: chunkymonkey on April 07, 2009, 10:35:54 pm
So are these anti squeel shims a proven cure then? If so I'd be tempted to send mine into the dealer :)

i wouldnt say proven as ive only done one set.

however, if they werent available at the launch of the GPA, and now they have been made available, i would say the shims and the copper slip are the best hope other than changing the discs and pad compound.
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: stevey293 on April 08, 2009, 10:27:20 am
they cut huge wedges out of the corners leaving about half my pad surface area
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: olopboy on April 08, 2009, 10:40:51 am
they cut huge wedges out of the corners leaving about half my pad surface area

 :o
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: Old Boy on April 08, 2009, 10:49:28 am
I have a set of SBS pads with shamfered leading edges, however they still squeal like a #####.
In my experience copperslip, metal or rubber shims on the back of the pads has the best chance of reducing pad squeal.

The pads in the GPA don't squeal though and they're the original ones from a fairly early S1 version.
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: Lewis on April 08, 2009, 11:12:22 am
Just out of curiousity what dealer do you go to Stevey?
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: stevey293 on April 08, 2009, 01:59:00 pm
it was the Nuneaton research abarth branch
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: chunkymonkey on April 08, 2009, 07:31:38 pm
it was the Nuneaton research abarth branch

did they tell you thats what they'd done? because the pads are chamfered anyway, from the factory?
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: AustinR on April 09, 2009, 07:38:04 pm
Took my GPA to Platts yesterday for the squealing brakes syndrome. They are ordering some parts for me - the special shims ? Doesn't look like they even took the wheels off so presumably the official Abarth directive is just to fit the parts. They don't seem to have bothered with the Copaslip attempted cure. By the way, is it just the front brakes that squeak or can it be the rears as well ? Hard to tell where the noise is coming from when you're sitting in the car, but I think on mine it's coming from the front.
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: stevey293 on April 09, 2009, 08:37:11 pm
mine i mainly the front but my back ones do sqeal slightly when im in reverse.
does anyone who has a SS kit have squeeky brakes?
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: chunkymonkey on April 09, 2009, 09:13:47 pm
Took my GPA to Platts yesterday for the squealing brakes syndrome. They are ordering some parts for me - the special shims ? Doesn't look like they even took the wheels off so presumably the official Abarth directive is just to fit the parts. They don't seem to have bothered with the Copaslip attempted cure. By the way, is it just the front brakes that squeak or can it be the rears as well ? Hard to tell where the noise is coming from when you're sitting in the car, but I think on mine it's coming from the front.

normally the fronts.

the rears normally resonate and theres a damper kit available for it.
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: John501 on April 10, 2009, 10:19:11 am
My Esse Esse has done 3500 miles now and the brakes are as quite as a mouse.
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: stevey293 on April 10, 2009, 02:43:13 pm
thats awesome im getting the dealer near me to fit the SS brakes on mine as the mechanic there says its the only permanent fix and i was getting messed around.
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: tweetysv650s on April 10, 2009, 03:18:50 pm
I can confirm that the brakes on the SS GPA that John drives are as quiet as a mouse :thumb: But is that because the pads have never been near the discs :whistle:
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: John501 on April 11, 2009, 09:54:02 am
Stop it you two :wave: Think yourselves lucky I only drove for a couple of minutes  ;D
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: richardmajor86 on April 12, 2009, 11:27:36 am
Stop it you two :wave: Think yourselves lucky I only drove for a couple of minutes  ;D

Ha!
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: Jet on April 22, 2009, 08:56:24 am
John am I right in thinking then we should ask the SS brakes?

She's going in for thr 6th time soon & we really want it to be the last time!
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: Old Boy on April 22, 2009, 10:29:47 am
There's no difference between the two (Ferodo pads used on standard and SS Abarth) in terms of anti squeal shims.  They both have them on the backs of the pads.

Did you bed the pads in from new?
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: stevey293 on April 22, 2009, 10:34:53 am
yeah i did and also the dealer has never heard of the shims even after i explained exactly what they are and shown them the page on here which mentioned them
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: Jet on April 22, 2009, 10:40:30 am

Did you bed the pads in from new?

Yes we did, this is the 4th brand new car Malc has had & my first but as we have both always been in the motor trade
we both know how to bed brakes in & considering we aren't the only people to have this problem it can't be blamed
on user-error.

Currently the Demo Car at Westover Sports Cars which is used by the Dealer Principal also has really bad sqealing brakes
and we have been told by 2 different dealers that the SS pads are completely different compound & Malc is currently looking into
it to see if they are Ferodo as this is different to what we have been told & Malc supplies Ferodo brakes to many garages.
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: chunkymonkey on April 22, 2009, 06:20:59 pm

Did you bed the pads in from new?

Yes we did, this is the 4th brand new car Malc has had & my first but as we have both always been in the motor trade
we both know how to bed brakes in & considering we aren't the only people to have this problem it can't be blamed
on user-error.

Currently the Demo Car at Westover Sports Cars which is used by the Dealer Principal also has really bad sqealing brakes
and we have been told by 2 different dealers that the SS pads are completely different compound & Malc is currently looking into
it to see if they are Ferodo as this is different to what we have been told & Malc supplies Ferodo brakes to many garages.

they are ferodo, cant remember the compund number though.
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: Jet on April 22, 2009, 09:12:36 pm
Hi Its Malc

Kelly has told me about this post and reading it is very interesting as all of the info seems to differ depending on who you talk to. As regards to the bedding in comment that is a daft comment as i am not 17 and have now been in the motor trade for 24 years dealing with all the major suppliers in the aftermarket parts trade and i know how brakes work  . Our local Dealer laughed at the Ferrodo comment saying i quote " No way are they Ferrodo they are made by Brembo" yet others say different . Chris at Westovers who i believe is the principal there is contacting Abarth to ask if the esseesse pads are a different compound to see if that will sort the problem out .

More info when i get it
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: chunkymonkey on April 22, 2009, 09:59:46 pm
they may be differing depending on what number kit you have, like the tyres in the a500 ss are sometimes pirelli, sometimes michelin.

im sure when i changed pads last time i noticed that the standard GPA pads were something like ferodo f1000 and the esseesse were f2500. does that sound about right malc?

however looking at the literature the pads in the photo are brembo.

its not something ive purposely looked at though so i could be wrong.

Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: Old Boy on April 22, 2009, 10:21:27 pm
. As regards to the bedding in comment that is a daft comment as i am not 17 and have now been in the motor trade for 24 years dealing with all the major suppliers in the aftermarket parts trade and i know how brakes work  .

Hmm, don't go off on one.  Not knowing you or your background how was I to know whether you understood brake bedding in?  A simple yes would have sufficed  ::)
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: richardmajor86 on April 22, 2009, 10:51:01 pm
. As regards to the bedding in comment that is a daft comment as i am not 17 and have now been in the motor trade for 24 years dealing with all the major suppliers in the aftermarket parts trade and i know how brakes work  .

Hmm, don't go off on one.  Not knowing you or your background how was I to know whether you understood brake bedding in?  A simple yes would have sufficed  ::)

Malc wasn't being very firendly was he? I wouldn't bother trying to help if i was you OldBoy
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: wampa on April 23, 2009, 08:48:04 am
. As regards to the bedding in comment that is a daft comment as i am not 17 and have now been in the motor trade for 24 years dealing with all the major suppliers in the aftermarket parts trade and i know how brakes work  .

Hmm, don't go off on one.  Not knowing you or your background how was I to know whether you understood brake bedding in?  A simple yes would have sufficed  ::)

Malc wasn't being very firendly was he? I wouldn't bother trying to help if i was you OldBoy

Well I dont think we should fall out over it guys, I am sure Kelly and Malc are grateful for any help offered. Lets just hope their problem is solved sooner rather than later.
The point of the forum is to help each other out etc.. lets all play nicely eh!  :thumb:
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: richardmajor86 on April 23, 2009, 10:51:44 am
i much prefer friendliness.
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: John501 on April 23, 2009, 12:14:42 pm
The Esse Esse pad I have in my hand is stamped Ferodo HP1000/1.
Then further down in white writing it is brembo  XPO.16.62.
Hope that helps :thumb: Clear as mud to me  :whistle:
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: chunkymonkey on April 23, 2009, 07:39:43 pm
The Esse Esse pad I have in my hand is stamped Ferodo HP1000/1.
Then further down in white writing it is brembo  XPO.16.62.
Hope that helps :thumb: Clear as mud to me  :whistle:

i knew i wasnt going mad. so theyre a brembo pad with a ferodo compound then.

sorted.  :-\
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: Jet on April 23, 2009, 07:48:00 pm
The Esse Esse pad I have in my hand is stamped Ferodo HP1000/1.
Then further down in white writing it is brembo  XPO.16.62.
Hope that helps :thumb: Clear as mud to me  :whistle:

Thank you John for clearing it up, we do apreciate you're help.

We don't want to cause arguments on here because this site is supossed to be for information
amongst other things but I would like to point out that the way Oldboy said about bedding brakes
in was a bit patronising & like he has already said he doesn't know us or our background.
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: needsmust on April 23, 2009, 09:38:19 pm
I think the bedding-in question is reasonable rather than patronising.  What would your first question be to an unfamiliar forum member complaining of same?

The problem lies in the fact that this is an infuriating condition you've had to endure, and any suggestion of critique touches a raw nerve.

My mother's suggestion for squeaky brakes is to try a drop of oil. :-\
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: richardmajor86 on April 23, 2009, 09:46:34 pm
I think the bedding-in question is reasonable rather than patronising.  What would your first question be to an unfamiliar forum member complaining of same?

The problem lies in the fact that this is an infuriating condition you've had to endure, and any suggestion of critique touches a raw nerve.

My mother's suggestion for squeaky brakes is to try a drop of oil. :-\

WD-40 works a treat
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: Joe on April 23, 2009, 09:57:58 pm
I think the bedding-in question is reasonable rather than patronising.  What would your first question be to an unfamiliar forum member complaining of same?

The problem lies in the fact that this is an infuriating condition you've had to endure, and any suggestion of critique touches a raw nerve.

My mother's suggestion for squeaky brakes is to try a drop of oil. :-\

WD-40 works a treat

I found that. I've had squeaky brakes on my 500 for the past couple of months. I completely lost my rag last weekend, took the hub cap things off the alloys at the front and the wheels centres were really rusty and the brakes were dirty as hell. Spent A DAY cleaning the wheels and brakes, emptied half a can of WD-40 on the wheel centres and brakes (obviously watch out for the discs as I later discovered ::)) and they haven't made a sound since.

Bob's your granny and Jim's yer mum  :thumb:

Let's cut out the bitchin' too people  ;)
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: chunkymonkey on April 23, 2009, 10:28:17 pm
as an aside, esseesse kitted richbrowne's a500 today, it has trw pads on the rear, bosch pads on the front as standard, and then in the esseesse kit brembo pads with ferodo linings?!  ???
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: magicmole on April 23, 2009, 11:29:42 pm


My mother's suggestion for squeaky brakes is to try a drop of oil. :-\

WD-40 works a treat
It's not that bloody good, my knees still crack.
Title: Re: GPA Brembro brakes...
Post by: maccy. on April 24, 2009, 12:02:11 am
aahh, brakes thread....
mine are doing my F***ing head in! even after new ones being fitted by dealer with shims they still squeal like a pig!
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Post by: magicmole on April 24, 2009, 07:19:48 am
Ferodo HP1000 seems to be specified as OE for Ferraris, Maseratis and R8s and has apperently been well received.

It didn't seem to stand up to continuous track use on Old Boy's SS.
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Post by: John501 on April 24, 2009, 06:48:37 pm
Can I please point out that it IS NOT a good idea to spray WD-40 anywhere near your brakes. It will effect the perfomance of you brakes and is likely to cause death or serious injury to you or other road users.
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Post by: stevey293 on April 25, 2009, 03:06:40 pm
you've been told now lol just common sence really
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Post by: richbrowne on April 26, 2009, 07:54:27 pm
as an aside, esseesse kitted richbrowne's a500 today, it has trw pads on the rear, bosch pads on the front as standard, and then in the esseesse kit brembo pads with ferodo linings?!  ???
Ah, how sweet my disc pads look; how close and yet so far away. I love my disc pads already :tumbleweed: ;D :thumb:
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Post by: JamesGPA on April 28, 2009, 09:25:33 pm
Mine are actually starting to irritate me now!  :thumbd:
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Post by: richardmajor86 on April 29, 2009, 02:59:52 pm
Mine's not squeeked once, 1100 miles in
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Post by: AustinR on May 01, 2009, 09:20:40 pm
Got my car back from Platts yesterday - no more squealing brakes ! Don't know what they've done but it seems to have cured the problem for now. Hope it lasts !!
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Post by: AustinR on May 02, 2009, 09:47:06 pm
Just back from Brooklands and took the missus for our usual Saturday evening shop at a well known supermarket beginning and ending with " A ". As I negociated out of the car park, the squeaking reappeared ! Not as bad as before, though. I'm not taking it back to Platts again. I'm just going to have to live with a bit of squealing now and then and just tell myself it's because I'm driving a street racer with semi race pads fitted.
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Post by: stevey293 on May 11, 2009, 03:59:07 pm
i had the shims fitted today managed to take a sneeky picture of them while they where getting put on, theres nothing to them!!! why wern't they there anyway?

Forgot to mention I asked about grease and got told a huge NO! abarth say no grease is to go anywhere near the brakes apparently. Also they fit whole new pads with the shims.
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Post by: stevey293 on May 11, 2009, 04:22:57 pm
a view of my brakes half way through getting shims fitted for anyone who hasnt seen.
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Post by: olopboy on May 11, 2009, 04:30:04 pm
All I thought when I saw that pic was, I'd give that a wash whilst it was easy to get to  :-[

Saying that, my 500 is apparently the grim reaper for flies and so will be having yet another bath tonight  ::)
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Post by: stevey293 on May 11, 2009, 05:02:14 pm
very true and i did while i had the chance and the wheels where off. but saying that i bought the car to enjoy it not to clean it.
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Post by: Missing in Action on May 11, 2009, 06:59:58 pm
i had the shims fitted today managed to take a sneeky picture of them while they where getting put on, theres nothing to them!!! why wern't they there anyway?

Forgot to mention I asked about grease and got told a huge NO! abarth say no grease is to go anywhere near the brakes apparently. Also they fit whole new pads with the shims.

theres nothing wrong with putting copper slip on the back of the pads.... this is a commonly done thing.... infact i know for a fact vospers do this as both chunky and John have talked about this before....

wierd your dealer should tell you this...
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Post by: maccy. on May 11, 2009, 07:07:38 pm
iv done copper slip, shims, had new brake pads too and still they squeel like a pig  :thumbd:
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Post by: stevey293 on May 12, 2009, 08:10:17 am
I asked when he did this and he was sertain this was a permanent fix. Knew from the start it wouldnt be but if it gives me even 2 days of peace im happy for now.
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Post by: maccy. on May 12, 2009, 10:11:13 am
the shims stopped the squeeling on mine for about 1 week.......
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Post by: stevey293 on May 12, 2009, 11:06:59 am
only done 130 miles on them since yesterday and already a little yelp from the front right
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Post by: magicmole on May 12, 2009, 11:10:34 am
only done 130 miles on them since yesterday and already a little yelp from the front right
That'll be the poodle you just ran over.
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Post by: stevey293 on May 12, 2009, 11:20:41 am
That'll be the poodle you just ran over.

 :thumb: hehe :whistle: