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Title: OPC's GPA
Post by: OPC on November 03, 2008, 10:56:24 pm
I picked it up today, or rather I didn't. It's too long a story to bore you all about on here, but I had to drive back to work in Westover's red GPA with the nice yellow stripes, (looks like they will be coming off after all the negitive comments).

Anyway, my car ended up getting dropped off at work about 4pm today and we did the swap. My car is velocity red, with leather, skydome and climate control. Only done the 20 mile drive home and a few drives around town so far and I'm pretty happy with it. I need to take it for a good drive tomorrow morning, maybe a long way round to work from Blandford to zig zag hill, Cranborne, then onto Ringwood - That should be good enough to get to see what I think of it on some good old country roads.

Anyway, I'm very happy with the spec and the colour / wheel combination really reminds me of the Mk1 Strada 105TC in red. A car I always wanted, nearly bought on two occasions, but always had too many 131's / Strada Abarths sat on my Dad's carpark, (used to have a pub) to justify getting another car. (Still got some Strada bits if anyone has one)??

I'll also take some pictures tomorrow morning if I get the chance - before it gets too dirty ;D.

Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: AlexK on November 03, 2008, 11:05:32 pm
I picked it up today, or rather I didn't. It's too long a story to bore you all about on here...

You're not getting off that easy!  ;D  Come on, what happened...?

(Congrats, btw)
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: AndyW on November 03, 2008, 11:14:26 pm
Yeah, do bore us, it's early days here and we need the posts to read, what happened?

Congrats, look forward to seeing pictures.
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: DevilAndGod on November 03, 2008, 11:21:37 pm
Yes... tell us!  ;D

Can't wait to see some pictures of a fellow sky domer but with a different colour.
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: OPC on November 03, 2008, 11:42:36 pm
Well, the car was fine and Ben was just going through the controls with me when he realised that the blue&me software wasn't working properly with mine, or anyone else's phone. Chris, the Manager then showed me how it was set up on the white car in their showroom, which worked. This was a S1 car that I think might have different blue&me software to mine, which is an S2 with the new key. They weren't sure what the problem was, so got their technician to look at it and sent me on my way in their demo.

I wasn't really bothered about it, but they wanted the car to be 100% before I drove it away. Anyway, Ben then dropped the car back at my work after the blue&me software had been rebooted and it then worked with my phone. Only problem then was that the language was Italian. So they are now probably going to have it back on Wednesday to sort. I did start reading something in the book that mentioned something about languages, so maybe I'll have a play myself tomorrow at work.

One funny thing about my car is as it's from Westover, they have gone and put Ferrari number plates on it. Maybe I should add a Ferrari badge to the grille as well, as I don't think that the car has enough badges on it ;D.
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: AlexK on November 03, 2008, 11:53:55 pm
If it's just the Blue&Me that's in the wrong lingo, you can download other languages here (http://www.fiat.com/cgi-bin/pbrand.dll/FIAT_COM/showroom/[email protected]@@@[email protected]@@@&BV_EngineID=cccfadefijklffmcefecejgdfkhdfji.0&contentOID=1074063122), although you might prefer to get Westover to do it.

I've got the Ferrari plates, too.  I kinda like 'em.  ;D
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: OPC on November 04, 2008, 12:00:51 am
Yeah, I think that I'll just leave it to them, as they have offered to fix it and I'm very busy at work at the moment and have very little patience with computers, gadgets, etc.
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: domc on November 04, 2008, 03:30:00 pm
Looking forward to seeing a red one with the roof.....
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: chunkymonkey on November 04, 2008, 06:29:36 pm
it sounds like youve had a brand new convergence node fitted already!

ive had the same problem on a couple of grande puntos, if you just reset them it shudnt change the language, they normally only go back to italian when its a new unit.

its not a complicated job to do the language update, may save you a trip!
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: OPC on November 04, 2008, 08:57:11 pm
it sounds like youve had a brand new convergence node fitted already!

ive had the same problem on a couple of grande puntos, if you just reset them it shudnt change the language, they normally only go back to italian when its a new unit.

its not a complicated job to do the language update, may save you a trip!

They said that they will pick up the car tommorrow from my work, so I let them sort it.
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: OPC on November 04, 2008, 09:15:13 pm
Okay, so I've been trying to post some photos and I can't get it to work. I've been adding them to the "attach" bit in the "additional options" and I can't seem to get them to post. Help :-[
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: DevilAndGod on November 04, 2008, 09:18:29 pm
Hey OPC. Are you finding the file in browse? is it not adding in to the box next to attach?

Maybe try to add to resize one of the photo's first to a smaller one and see if that helps.
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: DevilAndGod on November 04, 2008, 09:33:13 pm
Just seen your pics on the FF OPC. Looks very nice! dont these dark evenings and grim days make it bad for photo's  :-[ Need to clean mine before i take any more. hopefully get a nice sunny weekend!
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: OPC on November 04, 2008, 09:36:26 pm
Hey OPC. Are you finding the file in browse? is it not adding in to the box next to attach?

Maybe try to add to resize one of the photo's first to a smaller one and see if that helps.

Yeah, I've added them into the box and they are about 400KB each. I noticed the maximum size, so posting a couple at a time should be okay.
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: OPC on November 04, 2008, 09:41:26 pm
Just seen your pics on the FF OPC. Looks very nice! dont these dark evenings and grim days make it bad for photo's  :-[ Need to clean mine before i take any more. hopefully get a nice sunny weekend!

I managed to get it to work on there. Maybe I'll just try again when I get some decent photos at the weekend. Supposed to be nice down our way on Saturday.
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: AlexK on November 04, 2008, 09:59:25 pm
Email them to me and I'll upload them for you if you like (I'll PM my address).
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: AlexK on November 04, 2008, 11:15:39 pm
Here you go.  I masked your plate for you, too.

Loving the red with the 'Dome!
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: OPC on November 04, 2008, 11:30:34 pm
Thanks for that Alex. I take it that the reason for masking the number plates is purely to stop someone with exactly the same colour / type of car, (whether stolen, or not) sticking your number on it and then driving around like a loon and commiting crimes in it?

Better hope no one on the fiatforum is like that :o
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: AlexK on November 04, 2008, 11:41:49 pm
That's one possibility, amongst others.

The one that worries me is that the galactically stoopid DVLA will give out your details to anyone who flashes a fiver in front of their face.  Makes steal-to-order dead easy.
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: AlexK on November 08, 2008, 11:21:33 pm
Had a few hours of sun here today - did you manage to get any new pics?  Am happy to mask the plates for you if needed.

BTW, the red's really growing on me, especially with the dome.
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: OPC on November 09, 2008, 12:19:38 am
Had a few hours of sun here today - did you manage to get any new pics?  Am happy to mask the plates for you if needed.

BTW, the red's really growing on me, especially with the dome.

If I get the chance, I'll wash it in the morning. It is absolutely filthy from driving on some country roads and forest tracks, (New Forest, not a rally stage).  ;D

I'll try and take care of this one, two bucket method, lambswool mitt, etc., as my Golf's paintwork wasn't great after three years of only washing with a sponge.
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: DevilAndGod on November 09, 2008, 12:55:36 am
New forest? I'm jealous! Was working down there last week and it looks amazing this time of year. Good places to get some nice car pictures. I'm stuck with farmers fields  :P
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: OPC on November 09, 2008, 10:47:54 pm
New forest? I'm jealous! Was working down there last week and it looks amazing this time of year. Good places to get some nice car pictures. I'm stuck with farmers fields  :P

Yeah, the wife and I took the two boys there yesterday to see all the horses, cows and pigs that wonder around the forest. The car just about handles two kids and all the crap that you end up bringing along with them. I had to leave the parcel shelf at home though, because of the pushchair. The wifes not too impressed though, as it hasn't really got enough space for going on holidays 4 up and she thinks it makes me look / act like a boy racer. She's an Alfa girl though, so I think that a 500 Abarth is looking unlikely now.

I managed to get it washed today, but had a 3 year olds party to go to first, so didn't get it done until it was getting dark and raining. I'm not working tomorrow, so I'll get some daylight photos sorted.
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: OPC on November 18, 2008, 11:08:39 pm
I never did get those photos taken. Maybe next weekend ???

Anyway, I've done 1,000 miles now and am pretty happy with the car. It works well on the cross country routes that I take to work and was fine on a 200+ mile round trip to London today on mainly motorways. I've got a trip up North to take next week which will be about a 500 mile round trip, so it will be interesting to see how I get on with sitting in the drivers seat for this length of time. I haven't found an ideal seating position yet and so after 1,000 miles am beginning to wonder whether I will.  :(

Sport boost mode is definitely the way to go though. It does seem very lethargic in normal mode, but when you press the sport boost button the extra torque makes a lot of difference low down and the car starts to sound quite nice above 4,000rpm. ;D

I've averaged 31mpg so far, but haven't been hanging around. I think it tends to be about 35mpg on a run on main roads and 25mpg on a cross country route into work. Doesn't seem to make any difference on mpg whether I use normal, or sport boost mode. I think the extra torque in sport boost mode allows you to drive at lower revs / higher gears when just keeping up with the traffic flow, therefore it works out just as economical.

Suspension and brakes are fine for a semi-sensible daily driver and I'm getting used to the steering which is worst when you are taking it easy / better when driving hard.

Any other negatives? Small things like the hazards flashing when braking, glovebox and sun visors - Nothing serious.

Oh, and I've got some car mats the other day....... £9.99 universal ones from HALFORDS. ;D

Overall, I'm very happy with it.
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: chunkymonkey on November 19, 2008, 07:19:40 pm
have you got a GPA that flashes the hazards when you brake then OPC, or you wouldve wanted that feature?

from what ive seen on other fiat models it looks like if youve got the series 2 with the round key this function is also included as well as the lane change function, just curious to know what youve got?
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: DevilAndGod on November 19, 2008, 07:41:00 pm
have you got a GPA that flashes the hazards when you brake then OPC, or you wouldve wanted that feature?

from what ive seen on other fiat models it looks like if youve got the series 2 with the round key this function is also included as well as the lane change function, just curious to know what youve got?

My series two does the flashy indicators when breaking hard chunkymonkey. I believe OPC's is also a series 2, since he got his with a skydome and it arrived very shortly after mine.

Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: OPC on November 19, 2008, 07:49:56 pm
Yes, mine is a series 2 and the flashing indicators are beginning to drive me crazy.  >:(

It is most frustrating when going down country lanes at night. You brake hard, hazards come on, you light the whole lane up with them and anyone in front, behind, or coming the other way thinks WTF and could panic and do something silly??
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: DevilAndGod on November 19, 2008, 08:05:24 pm
Yes, mine is a series 2 and the flashing indicators are beginning to drive me crazy.  >:(

It is most frustrating when going down country lanes at night. You brake hard, hazards come on, you light the whole lane up with them and anyone in front, behind, or coming the other way thinks WTF and could panic and do something silly??

Yeh, indeed. Its sounds sensible but its really not. Just adds confusion to other drivers.
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: OPC on November 20, 2008, 11:51:33 pm
Happy with the drivers seat at last. I did about 300 miles today from Dorset, to Worcestershire, Hampshire and back to Dorset again. I can't believe that it has taken so long to get the right position sorted. ::)

Highlights were cutting cross country from junction 13 of the M5, to junction 18 of the M4. There are some great roads around this part of the Cotswolds and they certainly beat driving on the motorways. I then headed for Shaftesbury and had a clear run up Zig Zag Hill and along the B3081, (what a great road). ;D

The more I drive it the better it gets. The suspension works well on any road that I’ve thrown it down and you can definitely play around with the handling, especially into / out of tight corners. Would be interesting to see what the esseesse is like now. ;D
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: OPC on January 13, 2009, 09:52:35 pm
I went past the 5,000 mile mark yesterday and I am still pretty pleased with it. It is working well as a company car, going up and down the country and is also doing a pretty good job as a family car, (2 young boys).

The most that I have done in a day is probably 500-600 miles and it copes fine with this, (apart from needing to fill up twice). When I do a long journey, I always try to get off the motorways to relieve the boredom and it never disappoints.

The only things that I am not pleased with are as follows:-

a) Sun visors are rubbish. They only seem to adjust to about 3 positions and don't have a vanity light.
b) Front interior lights are not very bright and there is no spot light.
c) No rear seat interior lights. This is a real pain when getting the boys into their car seats in the dark.
d) No hooks in the boot to tie bungee ropes to.
e) Cup holders are a complete joke.
f) Not enough, or too small interior storage areas.
g) No lock on the glove box.
h) No 50/50 split folding rear seats.
i) Small range on one tank of fuel.

None of these things spoil the driving experience, but if they were improved / provided, it would be an even better car for work and for the family.

For what it is, (a cheap hot hatch) I can't complain about the driving experience and it gives me more smiles than lots of more expensive cars that I have had, or driven in the past. Definitely proof that the future (for me at least) is in smaller, lighter cars.
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: richardmajor86 on January 20, 2009, 08:15:57 pm
If it's just the Blue&Me that's in the wrong lingo, you can download other languages here (http://www.fiat.com/cgi-bin/pbrand.dll/FIAT_COM/showroom/[email protected]@@@[email protected]@@@&BV_EngineID=cccfadefijklffmcefecejgdfkhdfji.0&contentOID=1074063122), although you might prefer to get Westover to do it.

I've got the Ferrari plates, too.  I kinda like 'em.  ;D


i'd quite like to see saif number plates. Pictures please.
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: BeatoX on January 20, 2009, 08:39:29 pm
is many sound really really silly but you mention throwing the car round tight corners and the handeling great how do you no your not goin to end up in thr farmers hedge  ;D

or is that all to do with the tcs
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: Missing in Action on January 20, 2009, 08:43:49 pm
you learn the limits of the car really.... more you dive like a loony the better you get to know it...
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: John501 on January 20, 2009, 08:51:07 pm
And you learn those limits very quickly or very expensively!!!!
A good rule of thumb with the G.P.A is if you have the bottle to keep your right foot down in the corner it will come out of the other end, its when you panic and lift off you have problems.
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: Missing in Action on January 20, 2009, 08:56:38 pm
exactly. the GPA has a fair amount of grip actually, the SS even more so.
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: John501 on January 20, 2009, 09:00:31 pm
You said it, everyone should have an Esse Esse. They should make it the law  ;D
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: Missing in Action on January 20, 2009, 09:02:59 pm
You said it, everyone should have an Esse Esse. They should make it the law  ;D

i could go for that!!!! .... want to give me a gooooooood discount ;)
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: BeatoX on January 20, 2009, 09:04:42 pm
makes sense cant get any grip if the wheels arent spinning fast enough

when i was younger i had a hairy experince in the form of a 4 wheel drift over to 3 lanes of a roundbout cause i was pushing me civic to hard luckly i never hit anything lol promptly decided i would never do that again but i live in scotland and it would be a shame not to do some B road rallying with the abarth just dont fancy wrecking my brand spanking shinney car
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: Missing in Action on January 20, 2009, 09:14:46 pm
i know this is a little off topic but i feel i should say this to BeatoX :)

if you havnt had the experiance of driving quickly - just be careful....

to spin the wheels up = instant loss of grip as you are not putting the power down on the road as you are losing traction.

on the other hand to lock the brakes up will cause you to slide. if your sliding there is no traction so to will stop a LOT slower....

less wheel spin the better.

as well you cant just keep the foot on the gas pedal through every corner... you will understeer in a front wheel drive car. (odviously depending on how tight the corner is)  on the other hand if your going too fast in a corner and lift off the accelerator you can get whats known as lift of oversteer.... basically the rear goes light and will come around on you...

- just be careful mate .... the AGP is a relitivly quick car, so dont drive it with the toe down constantly, be visual of the road else u'll end up in a ditch somewhere...

if you have a search on the net about this sort of thing you'll learn quite a lot.... however the only true way to  find out is by actually driving.... just be careful though!

safe driving!

John
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: domc on January 20, 2009, 09:23:26 pm
It is such a rapid little car, coming out of roundabouts you can be doing 60-70mph before you know it.
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: Missing in Action on January 20, 2009, 09:24:57 pm
It is such a rapid little car, coming out of roundabouts you can be doing 60-70mph before you know it.

easy ;) - thought u where taking it easy dom :P hehehe - it too tempting!?
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: domc on January 20, 2009, 09:29:08 pm
I'm being typical tight northerner!!!! I went to work all 18 miles in normal mode and most of the way home too had a detour down country lanes though... It was fun, i liked it  ;D  ;D  ;D ;D

I'm averaging 34mpg at mo from new which i'm happy with. :thumb:
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: Missing in Action on January 20, 2009, 09:31:12 pm
not bad  :thumb: glad ur enjoying it!
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: John501 on January 20, 2009, 09:33:18 pm
I have to agree with John on his sentiments and i now feel a little silly about posting my last comment. The G.P.A is a great little fast car but it should only be used to its full extent on a track. This allows you more margin of error with run off areas and gravel traps.
We must always remember that a car is a lethal weapon and it may not just be yourself that gets seriously injured in an accident. Just because your car has a 5 star encap rating and great air bags it doesn't mean that another car involved in an accident has as well.
Thats my sensible post for the night. I'm not saying dont enjoy your car but stay well within your limits.
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: BeatoX on January 20, 2009, 09:41:08 pm
thanks guys appreciated like you say its the fastest car i have ever owned

I'm being typical tight northerner!!!! I went to work all 18 miles in normal mode and most of the way home too had a detour down country lanes though... It was fun, i liked it  ;D  ;D  ;D ;D

I'm averaging 34mpg at mo from new which i'm happy with. :thumb:

is that not above the listed mpg domc :thumb: cant grumble at that but the sports boost shuld always be on  ;D
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: Missing in Action on January 20, 2009, 09:42:08 pm
I have to agree with John on his sentiments and i now feel a little silly about posting my last comment. The G.P.A is a great little fast car but it should only be used to its full extent on a track. This allows you more margin of error with run off areas and gravel traps.
We must always remember that a car is a lethal weapon and it may not just be yourself that gets seriously injured in an accident. Just because your car has a 5 star encap rating and great air bags it doesn't mean that another car involved in an accident has as well.
Thats my sensible post for the night. I'm not saying dont enjoy your car but stay well within your limits.

agreed  :thumb:  best place to learn about your car is on a track but dont bring the track to the road... im not saying im a saiet by anymeans... and we all speed but just we careful :)
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: domc on January 20, 2009, 09:44:11 pm

agreed  :thumb:  best place to learn about your car is on a track but dont bring the track to the road... im not saying im a saiet by anymeans... and we all speed but just we careful :)

Can i just say Im-mia picked me up on saturday and i felt like i was in driving Miss Daisey  ;D  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: Missing in Action on January 20, 2009, 09:46:19 pm
OI!!!! lol
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: OPC on January 20, 2009, 10:12:41 pm
is many sound really really silly but you mention throwing the car round tight corners and the handeling great how do you no your not goin to end up in thr farmers hedge  ;D

or is that all to do with the tcs

The two Johns are right in what they are saying and a track, old airfield and the like are the only places to really test out a cars limits and go past them.  :o

The main rules that have kept me safe and ensured that I respect other roads users / pedestrations are as follows:-
1. I never speed in built up areas, i.e. 20, 30, 40 and 50 limits.
2. I treat small villages / hamlets which don't have speed limits like built up areas and I drop my speed to say 20, or 30.
3. I drive within the limits of the road / weather / car. i.e. I don't just drive at 60 because that's the limit.
4. I don't take risks around corners where I can't see what is around the bend, (especially on narrow country roads).
5. This one I learnt from experience. I am NOW always very careful overtaking. I got caught out with a hidden dip one night and almost killed myself! If in doubt, don't overtake, day, or night.

There is probably a few more, but basically, I'm careful.

That said, you can still have a bit of fun on the road. Local road knowledge is key for me and there are roads that I know where I would sooner have a spirited drive on than any race track. After all, driving is fun isn't it and being able to go out in your own car whenever you want is probably the best feeling a petrolhead can have. ;D
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: OPC on January 20, 2009, 10:34:35 pm
thanks guys appreciated like you say its the fastest car i have ever owned

I'm being typical tight northerner!!!! I went to work all 18 miles in normal mode and most of the way home too had a detour down country lanes though... It was fun, i liked it  ;D  ;D  ;D ;D

I'm averaging 34mpg at mo from new which i'm happy with. :thumb:

is that not above the listed mpg domc :thumb: cant grumble at that but the sports boost shuld always be on  ;D

I've been driving around since I got mine with the sport boost button almost always turned on and have been getting between 32-34mpg on most journeys. I thought that I would turn it off this week and take it easy. I've been getting about 38-40mpg on the same journeys.
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: Missing in Action on January 21, 2009, 06:27:38 am
nice! pritty inpressive figures! - the reason i dont turn the sports boost off is because the wheel starts feeling like my old mjet, which wasnt thaat bad a thing... but i have an abarth now so i want it to feel a little sportier.... hench the button stays welded in the ON possition! ;)
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: BeatoX on January 21, 2009, 05:04:29 pm
the the wheel feed back with the boost on is very satisfying i like the fact the car does exactly what you tell it to and theres zero play in the wheel when its on ;D
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: Old Boy on January 21, 2009, 05:45:08 pm
the the wheel feed back with the boost on is very satisfying i like the fact the car does exactly what you tell it to and theres zero play in the wheel when its on ;D

Really?  I find the exact opposite.  Horrid and inaccurate with the Boost Button on, much better with it off.

I'm getting to think my car is different from everyone elses.  Snap oversteer if encountering an imperfection in the road during a corner (even as low as 30mph); woolley steering, wobbly suspension.  :-[
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: 1mmortal on January 25, 2009, 11:09:35 am
I find that while the steering is weighted with said button on, there is quite a bit of play in the wheel, and its a tiring drive on a motorway because you're always having to correct.

I don;t know how it handles with button off, because i'm yet to take it off  :P
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: maccy. on January 25, 2009, 12:01:15 pm
I dont like the steering at all!!!
no power steering (or very little assist it best, especially for track use)
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: OPC on January 27, 2009, 07:12:37 pm
Took some pictures of the car today. Here are some pictures of the skydome for anyone that hasn't seen it yet.
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: OPC on January 27, 2009, 07:18:34 pm
And some pictures of the car in the day at last. Thanks to Westover for cleaning it for me after sorting out my blue&me.  ;D

Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: Missing in Action on January 27, 2009, 07:46:30 pm
nice one mate looks VERY nice!
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: 1mmortal on January 27, 2009, 11:02:28 pm
Sweet stuff OPA - Good colour choice too  :thumb:
Title: Re: OPC's GPA
Post by: Gofra on February 01, 2009, 04:56:29 pm
@ Oldboy: here's a comfort mate = same with mine ;)

I do like the car very much though it's just that it's not that PROPPER hot hatch. I dare to say that the 100hp Panda deserves the Abarth badge waaaay more than our GP ;)