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mj2k

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Re: My project begins...
« Reply #45 on: January 20, 2022, 01:36:14 am »
A few more mods...

I wired in the boost gauge properly, the only sensible place to add it without drilling the manifold was using a t piece on the vacuum line to the fuel pressure regulator, but I'm going to have to keep a careful eye on that since any vacuum leaks there could be disastrous:



Also, in a quest to make more headroom for my rather tall other half, I ended up fitting Sparco R100s complete with a black leather interior:



And swapped to a round 500 Sport steering wheel since it suited the car's interior better, and I prefer a round steering wheel anyway:



Also swapped to a Comp gear knob (feels much more comfortable for fast changes) and a different stereo, to match the rest of the all-black interior.

Sparcos complete with seat frame didn't save a huge amount of weight (about 5kg vs the Sabelts), reaching the seatbelts is a pain and getting into the rear seats is a pain too since the seats don't slide when they tilt, but the interior mods do seem to have made a difference to the handling, at least for me...

The round steering wheel allows me to slip the wheel and use the torque steer to my advantage besides feeling more comfortable. And I feel much more confident in the corners, though whether that's down to the placebo effect of the lowered, harder seating combined with the better support in corners or whether the small drop in weight over the front wheels combined with the lower seating position actually moved the centre of gravity to a more desirable position is anybody's guess.

Either way I can now take the near-constant tight corners in my favorite stretch of road fast enough to make myself feel slightly queasy, though whether that's a good thing or not is open to interpretation :D


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    mj2k

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    Re: My project begins...
    « Reply #46 on: January 20, 2022, 01:43:47 am »
    I might still swap back to the 500 GQ Edition seats in place of the Sparcos though depending on the other half's verdict - I worked out how to lower the rear of the passenger seat base using a cannibalized driver's seat adjuster minus the adjustment mechanism and they're incredibly comfy on long journeys at the expense of not holding you as well in the corners:



    Both sets of seats slightly improve rear legroom over the Abarth seats whatever though, and both lose a couple of kg weight too, so whichever set meets the other half's approval is fine with me. Both match the rest of the GQ Edition interior too:


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    Re: My project begins...
    « Reply #47 on: February 04, 2022, 12:19:16 pm »
    Very interested to see the project having just found the thread. I hope you'll get everything through to completion and have a result that's really satisfying.

    Noticing especially your recent posts, I thought your opinion on seating might be helpful for me please.  My liking for the Abarth marque was reignited a few years ago on seeing the new 595 models.  I have always loved small cars with relatively high power outputs and I was very impressed by the chutzpah of both the engineering/specification and the aesthetic design of the 595s.  As I got into a Turismo, I was immediately delighted to see that the 'look' of the interior was every bit as good as photographs had suggested.  I also took straightaway to how the engine sounded and performed. But . . . also, immediately, I felt oddly disconnected from the car.  The sensation to me was of sitting ON it, rather than IN it.  I've experienced some marvellous cars in my time in which I felt completely 'at one' with the chassis, for example Alfasud Sprint Veloce, Saab 96 TS, BMW 2002 Tii, and my current VW Lupo Gti.  The 595 looking as good as it does, gave me nothing like that sensation.  Trying to understand it, and appreciating that the suspension set-up/ride height and suchlike may be areas that could be tweaked, I came to the conclusion that I needed to be sitting far lower in the car.  As I can't seem to shake off my underlying 'itch' to run an Abarth, I'm just wondering what you think, especially as you've apparently had recent experience with some standard ones, some R100s and the GQs?   

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    « Reply #48 on: February 05, 2022, 03:26:57 am »
    Very interested to see the project having just found the thread. I hope you'll get everything through to completion and have a result that's really satisfying.

    Noticing especially your recent posts, I thought your opinion on seating might be helpful for me please.  My liking for the Abarth marque was reignited a few years ago on seeing the new 595 models.  I have always loved small cars with relatively high power outputs and I was very impressed by the chutzpah of both the engineering/specification and the aesthetic design of the 595s.  As I got into a Turismo, I was immediately delighted to see that the 'look' of the interior was every bit as good as photographs had suggested.  I also took straightaway to how the engine sounded and performed. But . . . also, immediately, I felt oddly disconnected from the car.  The sensation to me was of sitting ON it, rather than IN it.  I've experienced some marvellous cars in my time in which I felt completely 'at one' with the chassis, for example Alfasud Sprint Veloce, Saab 96 TS, BMW 2002 Tii, and my current VW Lupo Gti.  The 595 looking as good as it does, gave me nothing like that sensation.  Trying to understand it, and appreciating that the suspension set-up/ride height and suchlike may be areas that could be tweaked, I came to the conclusion that I needed to be sitting far lower in the car.  As I can't seem to shake off my underlying 'itch' to run an Abarth, I'm just wondering what you think, especially as you've apparently had recent experience with some standard ones, some R100s and the GQs?

    Not owned many VWs (the two I have were both nightmares so don't touch them) but otherwise it seems like we've owned some quite similar cars in the past (BMW 2002 touring, Alfa GTV, 156 GTA, which was surprisingly dreadful in the corners, various Subarus, which are basically a turbocharged Sud with 4wd, Pug 205/306 GTi, etc) so I know where you're coming from with that 'disconnected' feeling - it affected my confidence in the car's cornering abilities a bit.

    But I've got the Sparco R100s fitted now, just finishing a retrim with perforated vinyl seat base material / memory foam to combat the uncomfortable (and no doubt sweaty in the summer) vinyl / foam originals, but apart from that I'd say they're fantastic :) Fitting the Sparcos made me realize my lack of confidence in the car's cornering abilities was mostly down to the seats (as you concluded), and having the lower seating position (which may have altered the roll centre slightly too), better bolstering and getting more feedback from the chassis transmitted to my body (which may not be desirable for all) has left me chucking the car into corners with almost the same level of confidence as I had in my favorite Pugs and Subarus :thumb:

    There are a few niggles though - I'm still to test them on a long journey (still need to finish the reworked seat bases) but I strongly suspect they'll be less comfy than the GQ seats, I do find the headrest position a little annoying since it prevents you reaching the seatbelt, and rear seat access is harder since the seat tilt doesn't slide the seat forward. But they actually slightly improve rear legroom, and the improved feel means the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages.

    Other tweaks I've done which seem to improve the Abarth's feel more than I expected were fitting the round steering wheel from a standard 500 Sport and the alloy gear shift knob from a Comp, along with fitting a spare wheel, which puts a few extra kg over the rear axle. Also oddly, the steering feels slightly less artificial if left in 'standard' rather than 'sport' mode, so I always leave it in 'standard'.




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    « Reply #49 on: February 05, 2022, 03:40:58 am »
    Looks like I've repeated myself a bit and annoyingly you can't go back and edit posts once you've posted them, but in short I'd say a set of Sparcos would make you like the feel of the car a whole lot more.

    Do try one with the Sabelts fitted too though - they might well give the same feel with less faff, albeit heavier and more expensive, and it's likely to be a far more pleasant test drive if you find one the factory Sabelts fitted rather than surprising the seller with a spanner and 3rd party seat :D

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    « Reply #50 on: February 05, 2022, 11:39:14 am »
    Thanks for taking the trouble to reply so promptly and comprehensively.  I can easily follow the logic of what you've said, and I feel genuinely encouraged now that I could find myself driving one of these after all. Not only do I remain as impressed as I was on first sight with the style of the 595s, but I've also been pleased to see how strong the Abarth ownership culture seems to be, with so many examples, in a great number of styling detail variations, to be seen at shows like AutoItalia, Brooklands.  From these turn-outs, it would appear that Abarth - belying the usual 'niche' classification - is one of the very best enthusiast-supported contemporary marques.  BTW - my experience with VW goes back to a '55 oval Beetle I bought for £75 in '68, and I've driven/owned countless VWs since, (and have also done some work for the brand.)  The Lupo is something I'd guess you'd enjoy - lightweight (975 kg.), tiny footprint, atmo 123 bhp, no ESC, etc. There are all sorts of fancy teched-up things you can mug with that! Regards. David

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    « Reply #51 on: February 07, 2022, 03:37:58 am »
    Thanks for taking the trouble to reply so promptly and comprehensively.  I can easily follow the logic of what you've said, and I feel genuinely encouraged now that I could find myself driving one of these after all. Not only do I remain as impressed as I was on first sight with the style of the 595s, but I've also been pleased to see how strong the Abarth ownership culture seems to be, with so many examples, in a great number of styling detail variations, to be seen at shows like AutoItalia, Brooklands.  From these turn-outs, it would appear that Abarth - belying the usual 'niche' classification - is one of the very best enthusiast-supported contemporary marques.  BTW - my experience with VW goes back to a '55 oval Beetle I bought for £75 in '68, and I've driven/owned countless VWs since, (and have also done some work for the brand.)  The Lupo is something I'd guess you'd enjoy - lightweight (975 kg.), tiny footprint, atmo 123 bhp, no ESC, etc. There are all sorts of fancy teched-up things you can mug with that! Regards. David

    No worries :)

    Definitely plenty of interest out there, just a shame the UI on this forum is a bit clunky (e.g. it's easy to lose new posts and you can't 'like' other people's posts or edit your own) otherwise I suspect it'd be a lot more lively...

    Think I'll be sticking with the Abarth for a while now I've got it close to how I like it, unless rust claims the bodyshell first or I decide to reshell it into a cabrio I suspect my next car will be a next-gen EV... Plenty of cheapish 2nd hand spares out there on Ebay, easy to find copies of the pre-2015 EPER to get part numbers from (post-facelift cars can be a bit more tricky though) and plenty of 3rd party mods to make the car faster or handle better. Combine that with the lovely exhaust note from a Record Monza (an older gentleman outside a shop commented on it the other day - he was expecting an Alfa or a Jag to pull up, not a tiny Fiat) and you've got the perfect tiny performance car, maybe a 'proper' Mini Cooper for modern roads :thumb:

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    « Reply #52 on: February 07, 2022, 02:04:13 pm »
    Agree that this forum could benefit from some additional functionality features.  I fully respect your obvious allegiance to the Abarth marque, and I wasn't suggesting that you should try a VW product again - just positing that the Lupo Gti 'format' is of the type which you now aptly characterise as a 'tiny performance car.'  Regards. David

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    « Reply #53 on: February 07, 2022, 03:03:15 pm »
    Agree that this forum could benefit from some additional functionality features.  I fully respect your obvious allegiance to the Abarth marque, and I wasn't suggesting that you should try a VW product again - just positing that the Lupo Gti 'format' is of the type which you now aptly characterise as a 'tiny performance car.'  Regards. David

    I've got allegiances to Subarus and older Alfas too, and I certainly waffle on about them enough :) I don't think any true car enthusiast would completely write off another car make (except for maybe a G-Wiz) so definitely no offense taken and hopefully none given, but I'm hoping my Abarth will last me until I can afford / am ready to buy something like an M series i4 EV or suchlike...

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    « Reply #54 on: February 08, 2022, 10:57:38 am »
    Got the Sparco seat base refurb finished, much more comfortable with softer perforated vinyl and memory foam. Last job to do there might be to remove the headrest sides to allow easier access to the seatbelts, but will have to see on that.

    Next job will be to see if I can modify a pre-fl parcel shelf to take a facelift glovebox. Looks like it should be a straight swap, but it isn't - the glovebox is actually narrower than the parcel shelf so I'll need to cut up an old parcel shelf and see if I can use that for glovebox mounts.

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    « Reply #55 on: February 08, 2022, 12:53:58 pm »
    You'd have thought the glove box would be a straight swap for the earlier shelf.

    Obviously not :whistle:

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    « Reply #56 on: February 08, 2022, 02:32:58 pm »
    You'd have thought the glove box would be a straight swap for the earlier shelf.

    Obviously not :whistle:

    Who'd have thunk it?  ;D

    I did read a bunch of threads from people when the facelift was new saying 'it looks like an easy bolt on swap' but that they couldn't try because the gloveboxes cost a fortune back then, but now you can pick them up for £30 you can test easily enough, and, er, nope...

    Funny really, the facelift seems so different to the pre-fl in so many different ways, from the dash, through the headlining and headlight electronics to the ecu. It's probably easier to convert a pre-fl into a Panda 4x4 (not the bodywork, that'd be silly!) than it is to convert it into a facelift...

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    « Reply #57 on: February 10, 2022, 09:53:16 am »
    Confirmed, absolutely no way the facelift glove box will fit a pre-facelift without a load of modifications...

    Challenge accepted  :thumb:

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    « Reply #58 on: February 10, 2022, 09:57:25 am »
    Confirmed, absolutely no way the facelift glove box will fit a pre-facelift without a load of modifications...

    Challenge accepted  :thumb:

    Your 30 seconds start NOW ;D

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    « Reply #59 on: February 10, 2022, 04:46:04 pm »
    Your 30 seconds start NOW ;D

    Done it, sort of :)

    You can see why it's not a straight bolt-on job here:


    Though it can be made to fit with some fairly substantial plastic trimming. However, even then, it fouls the cross-bar on the pre-fl dashboard, and the only solution is to cut a section of the crossbar out.


    If you do it carefully and ensure the screw mounts remain intact you can still bolt the original shelf back in, even after the change. But I presume that flimsy crossbar must have been there for some reason other than being annoying.

    But after a bit more cutting and drilling on the glovebox to make it fit the upper parcel shelf mounts, and cannibalizing an old pre-fl parcel shelf for the side cheeks, it does fit and doesn't look too bad:


    Well, at least until you open it  ::)


    Last job is to create some brackets to ensure the glovebox lower mounts line up with the ones on the dashboard, and put some sticky pads under the side cheeks so they don't rattle. Not quite as pretty (or simple) as I hoped, but it gives me the welcome space to stash my TomTom and mount in, which is def a good thing.

     

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