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Offline AdamAbarth

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Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2015, 10:45:06 am »
I guess that's the valve then Brian. I'm just amazed the Biposto doesn't do the same with the valve permanently open....but then I haven't driven one.
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    Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
    « Reply #31 on: September 22, 2015, 11:10:23 am »
    I guess that's the valve then Brian. I'm just amazed the Biposto doesn't do the same with the valve permanently open....but then I haven't driven one.

    The silencer helps the turbo spool at low rpm due to the back pressure, that is why it was designed that way.

    If you ran it a few times the ECU would actually compensate a little bit, but then there is no point having the monza then, that's it's job.

    Iv'e driven the Biposto, I drove it in and out of sport mode for a few laps, the bulk of the power was delivered slightly higher up the rpm range when the flap was open, but as it's actually changing the torque levels it's hard to tell, but it did seem more laggy than the 180 at low rpm's when the flap was open.

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    Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
    « Reply #32 on: September 22, 2015, 10:01:26 pm »
    The Bombardone exhaust is not road legal and is aimed at track racing which makes perfect sense as you are only using the higher rpm range the whole time

    Depends what country you are talking about? UK it has no issues as the UK does not require TUV approval. The race use only badge on it is aimed more at Germany and Austria.

    I agree regarding the torque loss though, although a remap soon sorts this out.

    Our torque starts climbing from below 2k and peaks at 3k at well over 220 ftlbs. (On an IHI)

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    Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
    « Reply #33 on: September 22, 2015, 10:29:44 pm »
    Porthos, can I ask if your stainless steel Monza looks a bit like what I personally think is a dog's dinner? Not the backbox itself, but the pipes. Mine (delivered early July, so far done 1000 dry miles) appear to show what some have described as oxidisation, and not to a small extent. Just all looks a bit old and pre-enjoyed. Also, the LHS of the backbox has a massive "X" scrawled on it in black marker pen?? ???
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    Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
    « Reply #34 on: September 23, 2015, 11:35:36 am »
    Porthos, can I ask if your stainless steel Monza looks a bit like what I personally think is a dog's dinner? Not the backbox itself, but the pipes. Mine (delivered early July, so far done 1000 dry miles) appear to show what some have described as oxidisation, and not to a small extent. Just all looks a bit old and pre-enjoyed. Also, the LHS of the backbox has a massive "X" scrawled on it in black marker pen?? ???

    I'll take a pic for you of mine, I think they are OK :) I have that X however.
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    Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
    « Reply #35 on: September 23, 2015, 11:56:35 am »
    As for TUV approval benn, that's not what concerns me, actually changing your exhaust for a louder one (or modifying your own to be louder) is in fact illegal in the UK.

    http://www.suffolk.police.uk/safetyadvice/roadsafety/knowthelaw/modifications.aspx

    Don't get me wrong I've had modified exhausts in the past and probably will in the future but as admin it's not something I would encourage  :thumb: That and having a family of police officers....  ::)
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    Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
    « Reply #36 on: September 23, 2015, 12:12:26 pm »
    Porthos, can I ask if your stainless steel Monza looks a bit like what I personally think is a dog's dinner? Not the backbox itself, but the pipes. Mine (delivered early July, so far done 1000 dry miles) appear to show what some have described as oxidisation, and not to a small extent. Just all looks a bit old and pre-enjoyed. Also, the LHS of the backbox has a massive "X" scrawled on it in black marker pen?? ???

    I'll take a pic for you of mine, I think they are OK :) I have that X however.

    here's a couple of mine  :thumb: the oxidisation seems to around the welds?

     
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    Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
    « Reply #37 on: September 23, 2015, 12:25:08 pm »
    Have you been polishing yours? ha ha. They are a bit rough and ready out the factory.



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    Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
    « Reply #38 on: September 23, 2015, 12:35:47 pm »
    good grief, yours looks even worse! I'll just up now and take what I've got, thank you very much, lol.

    thanks for showing me yours, Porthos  ;)
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    Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
    « Reply #39 on: September 23, 2015, 12:48:06 pm »
    Ha ha, no problem :)

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    Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
    « Reply #40 on: September 23, 2015, 12:51:46 pm »
    As for TUV approval benn, that's not what concerns me, actually changing your exhaust for a louder one (or modifying your own to be louder) is in fact illegal in the UK.

    http://www.suffolk.police.uk/safetyadvice/roadsafety/knowthelaw/modifications.aspx

    Don't get me wrong I've had modified exhausts in the past and probably will in the future but as admin it's not something I would encourage  :thumb: That and having a family of police officers....  ::)

    Ah yeah knew about that. Mentioned it another topic and someone called me a liar lol. Couldn't find an article proving it at the time though, thanks.

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    Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
    « Reply #41 on: September 23, 2015, 01:21:15 pm »
    Ha ha, no problem :)

    still mystified by the X. Maybe that is to indicate where the scud missile is going to hit them!  ;)
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    Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
    « Reply #42 on: September 27, 2015, 05:51:35 pm »
    Like you PORTHOS, my old car never did it which is why I'm noticing it now.  I must admit it wasn't as bad when I filled up yesterday, started to get really noticable just under 70 where as it was from 50 the other day.

    Yep sounds the same as mine, ha ha. I'll have a look later at it, but it is indeed over 50mph.

    I do have a rattle on my exhaust that sounds AWFUL, you can hear it in the video around the 6 minute mark, it comes in at 3k and only just under. They are looking at it for me end of month :)

    Oddly though this one is far far better than my 160, that had too many problems to list including a leaking battery that destroyed 20% of the engine bay, lol.

    Hi Porthos, was wondering if there are any updates on your rattly exhaust?
    I noticed a slight rattle coming from the underneath of mine the day I picked it up, and then a couple of weeks later I heard it again, strangely when turning left?

    On friday night I went for a blast to the coast and back, and the rattle is still there, it comes in at a very specific 92mph (thanks to the huge digital speedo!), I'm thinking its exhaust or heat shield?
    Anybody else with similar problem?
    Overall though, I am loving the sound it makes, getting more pops now too!. It genuinely makes me laugh how loud it is when on choke :crazy: :thumb:
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    Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
    « Reply #43 on: September 27, 2015, 06:11:07 pm »
    Yes it is RIDICULOUS on choke! But settles down nicely afterwards. After having a non stop popping 160 with a monza for a few years it's actually a welcome break! ha ha.

    The exhaust is being looked at on the 30th (Wednesday) and will post once they find out what it is, I'm guessing a bracket somewhere is causing the noise, or...... possibly the exhaust itself. But it literally just buzzes and you can hear it in the video, it's quite loud and a little embarrassing as people have told me they can hear it just following me, ha ha.......

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    Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
    « Reply #44 on: September 27, 2015, 06:26:01 pm »
    Thanks for that, I will keep an eye out for your dealers analysis of this problem. Was hoping it is nothing serious, and that it can wait until first oil change :thumb:
    P.s. I will post some pictures of the new car...if it stays clean for long enough!
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