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Title: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: PORTHOS on September 08, 2015, 10:51:24 pm
Managed  to get in some rolling footage of my 180 Competizione to compare with my 160 I took a year ago. Bear in mind the 180 has just crossed 400 miles and the 160 was circa 4k miles at the time of recording.

There are clear differences,  but both sound absolutely amazing.  The 180 having that unique whine via the Garrett turbo at low rpm and the 160 having the burbles. Both however pop and bang. Both cars run on V-Power.

Apologies for the shaky cam footage.

180 Comp:
https://youtu.be/luuMOgzu8f0

160 Comp:
https://youtu.be/sgA0SbdNI_c
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: Brian1612 on September 08, 2015, 11:07:39 pm
Going by that... the 180 SS monza sounds much more raspy and natural tbh. I may be slightly biased but much prefer the sound of that and will agree that it does indeed pop. Had a few of them now, seems to like doing it under hard acceleration, changing gear quickly at between 2.5-3k revs and keeping the revs up as you change.
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: Trials_guy on September 09, 2015, 07:56:39 am
Going by that... the 180 SS monza sounds much more raspy and natural tbh. I may be slightly biased but much prefer the sound of that and will agree that it does indeed pop. Had a few of them now, seems to like doing it under hard acceleration, changing gear quickly at between 2.5-3k revs and keeping the revs up as you change.

How many miles has yours done now Brian? I THINK I might have had a small pop the other day but not 100% sure!

Thanks
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: Brian1612 on September 09, 2015, 09:02:31 am
Just hit 500 coming into work this morning and funnily enough got another pop or more a bang, quite a bit louder than the last few, was perfect timing as I was trying to show off with a Ferrari FF behind me coming into my office this morning! :D

Seems to be getting more frequent coming from 2nd to 3rd gear at 3k revs, quick gear change, hold the revs and release the clutch quickly, it's becoming an addiction for me to try making it pop but my consumption is taking quite a hit compared to the Punto Evo! :D

Usually 37-39mpg on that going to and from work, sitting at 34 mpg currently and it seems to drop further with every drive :P
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: Trials_guy on September 09, 2015, 11:07:16 am
Just hit 500 coming into work this morning and funnily enough got another pop or more a bang, quite a bit louder than the last few, was perfect timing as I was trying to show off with a Ferrari FF behind me coming into my office this morning! :D

Seems to be getting more frequent coming from 2nd to 3rd gear at 3k revs, quick gear change, hold the revs and release the clutch quickly, it's becoming an addiction for me to try making it pop but my consumption is taking quite a hit compared to the Punto Evo! :D

Usually 37-39mpg on that going to and from work, sitting at 34 mpg currently and it seems to drop further with every drive :P

*Runs off to car to make it back fire* hahah I'm guessing you have driven it hard from day 1? I've taken mine fairly easy so far so It might be that I need to open the taps a bit more. I've got 800 miles on the clock at the moment but they have been careful 800 miles.
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: Brian1612 on September 09, 2015, 12:14:34 pm
I had planned to go easy on her the first 1K miles but once I heard the exhaust, that went out the window lol.
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: Kimusubi007 on September 09, 2015, 01:19:44 pm
Just can't beat that turbo whine... love it..
Sports cat??
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: Trials_guy on September 09, 2015, 07:39:06 pm
Here's food for thought. I noticed on my 180 that when I pull away from a stand still, the exhaust is a lot louder until I fully release the clutch. Now when I stationary the other day, I kept pushing in the clutch then letting it out and it did rev a little bit (or at least the revs went higher only by a fraction though).

Is this a little bit of Abarth trickery to make it sound better / provoke it to back fire? As I have noticed when the car was cold, going from 2nd to 3rd at low rpm, when I lifted the clutch it did make a little pop  ;D Well, at least I thought it did haha

I do miss my 160 back fires lol :(
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: PORTHOS on September 10, 2015, 10:42:54 am
No I think the revs rising slightly is a normal euro emissions thing the ECU does. But yes the exhaust is louder on the biting point.

The 160 backfired quite a bit more often than the 180, and usually on demand, so far the 180 is less predictable, but it will still do it as I demonstrated.
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: Brian1612 on September 10, 2015, 11:27:58 am
Planning on wiring open my valve on the SS Monza tomorrow, anyone done this yet and how have they found it?
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: PORTHOS on September 10, 2015, 11:57:27 am
I did it once briefly on my 160, wasn't my cup of tea. The flap optimises back pressure as well I'm sure at low rpm, wiring it open will mean a slight drop in torque low down. Considering how well the 180 pulls from as little as 1500rpm, I bet you would notice. My 160 didn't feel right at all.

Here's a quote actually.......
Quote
Abarth and Magneti Marelli engineers have developed a range of exhaust systems designated “Record Monza”. “Record Monza” exhausts are variable back-pressure systems capable of improving the performance and the sound of the engine and making it more characteristically “Abarth”.
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: Brian1612 on September 10, 2015, 12:08:28 pm
Hmm... May just leave it then Porth if that is the case!
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: android_808 on September 10, 2015, 07:53:21 pm
Last tank was about 28.2 but that was mostly around town with only a handful of longer trips on dual carriageways (which I'll come to back to).  Absolutely love the noise.  I too noticed the change regarding clutch/biting point but may have only had 1/2 pops so far during 250mi. Trying to be good, making sure engine is right up to temp and avoiding going over 4k too much..for now.  The pops/bangs were one of my favourite aspects of my Esseesse so hopefully soon I'll find the sweet point again.

Dual carriageways: the only opportunity I've had to get it up to speed but I've hit a snag.  There is a whistle/howling noise coming from passenger side.  Tried the recirc button as suggested here and by the dealer but it hasn't helped.   As a result I've had to keep the revs lower to listen to it, spoiling my fun :'(. It was a little quieter today but still there, so it's booked in for investigation.
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: GTMartin on September 10, 2015, 08:36:05 pm
Hmm... May just leave it then Porth if that is the case!

Do it Brian and report back what you think ;D  I was going to wire mine open when it comes in a few weeks.
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: PORTHOS on September 11, 2015, 10:30:34 am
Dual carriageways: the only opportunity I've had to get it up to speed but I've hit a snag.  There is a whistle/howling noise coming from passenger side.  Tried the recirc button as suggested here and by the dealer but it hasn't helped.   As a result I've had to keep the revs lower to listen to it, spoiling my fun :'(. It was a little quieter today but still there, so it's booked in for investigation.

I have the same thing....... ha ha. It's like a very high pitch whine? I put it down to wind noise although my 160 never did that. It's there but not enough to annoy me, I'm not sure if the rubber seal is different on the bottom of the windows, looks like a big gap on both sides I don't remember being there, will tape that up and see if it gets rid of it.
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: Brian1612 on September 11, 2015, 10:37:00 am
Haven't had or noticed an issue like this at all...?

Will listen out for it but so far nothing has really got my attention, no rattles from the car, seems well put together! Did have a rattle from my deflector for the first mile with the window down yesterday but it went away thankfully :)
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: android_808 on September 11, 2015, 10:49:29 am
There's two noises.  One sounds like it is coming from the rear almost like a very quiet static from a speaker (which it isn't as the radios off).  Wondering if its wind noise from the aerial but I can live with it.

The main one is like a high pitched whistle like a window slightly open.  Like you PORTHOS, my old car never did it which is why I'm noticing it now.  I must admit it wasn't as bad when I filled up yesterday, started to get really noticable just under 70 where as it was from 50 the other day.  Having only done 250mi, maybe its just something really weird like the seals/doors/windows needing a bit of use ???

I do have to close all doors and especially boot quite firmly at the moment os this might have something to do with it.  My old Esseesse you used to be able to drop the boot from about 6" above the latch and it would close.  Going to mention this when it goes in, pulling door closed 3 times each time I get in is going to bug me.
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: Mgbudd on September 11, 2015, 11:00:18 am
No whistles from mine either but the boot does take some effort to close!

I had no rattles for 400miles but the passenger sabelt has started rattling - gggggrrrrrr. Sound like it's coming from underneath or where the back meets the base, 30 mins of investigation revealed nothing!  Will see if the dealer has any ideas...

Engine is awesome and even without the pops the exhaust sounds great...
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: PORTHOS on September 11, 2015, 11:24:34 am
Like you PORTHOS, my old car never did it which is why I'm noticing it now.  I must admit it wasn't as bad when I filled up yesterday, started to get really noticable just under 70 where as it was from 50 the other day.

Yep sounds the same as mine, ha ha. I'll have a look later at it, but it is indeed over 50mph.

I do have a rattle on my exhaust that sounds AWFUL, you can hear it in the video around the 6 minute mark, it comes in at 3k and only just under. They are looking at it for me end of month :)

Oddly though this one is far far better than my 160, that had too many problems to list including a leaking battery that destroyed 20% of the engine bay, lol.
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: Brian1612 on September 11, 2015, 11:30:30 am
No whistles from mine either but the boot does take some effort to close!

I had no rattles for 400miles but the passenger sabelt has started rattling - gggggrrrrrr. Sound like it's coming from underneath or where the back meets the base, 30 mins of investigation revealed nothing!  Will see if the dealer has any ideas...

Engine is awesome and even without the pops the exhaust sounds great...

I had this on both my Punto Evo's with regards to the Sabelts and can almost 100% guarantee it will be a loose bolt/bolts holding the seat down. They sometime loosen off or aren't tightened fully then start to rattle as the seat vibrates at speed. You will notice it goes away if someone sits on the seat or if you hold the seat while driving.

Took me a week to diagnose this when it first appeared on my Punto Evo Sporting but get underneath and tighten those bolts up! :)

Hope this helps you! :)
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: PORTHOS on September 11, 2015, 02:02:15 pm
Also in regards to the Monza flap, wiring it open basically turns it into a Bombardone exhaust, so you lose some torque low down, the flap closed below 4krpm actually helps increase back pressure though the silencer, helping the turbo spool up more easily, above 4k rpm the flap opens and lets the exhaust gasses though the non silenced pipes, basically making it a racing exhaust where power at high rpm's are more important. The Monza is actually a very clever bit of design, the flap is actually there for a reason, not just so it sounds better. It basically gives you a street and a racing exhaust in one with the benefits of both.
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: AdamAbarth on September 11, 2015, 04:09:01 pm
Also in regards to the Monza flap, wiring it open basically turns it into a Bombardone exhaust, so you lose some torque low down, the flap closed below 4krpm actually helps increase back pressure though the silencer, helping the turbo spool up more easily, above 4k rpm the flap opens and lets the exhaust gasses though the non silenced pipes, basically making it a racing exhaust where power at high rpm's are more important. The Monza is actually a very clever bit of design, the flap is actually there for a reason, not just so it sounds better. It basically gives you a street and a racing exhaust in one with the benefits of both.

Couldn't have put it better myself!
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: sylvano on September 11, 2015, 05:42:08 pm
Also in regards to the Monza flap, wiring it open basically turns it into a Bombardone exhaust, so you lose some torque low down, the flap closed below 4krpm actually helps increase back pressure though the silencer, helping the turbo spool up more easily, above 4k rpm the flap opens and lets the exhaust gasses though the non silenced pipes, basically making it a racing exhaust where power at high rpm's are more important. The Monza is actually a very clever bit of design, the flap is actually there for a reason, not just so it sounds better. It basically gives you a street and a racing exhaust in one with the benefits of both.
So, do you recommend don't wiring it, right?
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: sylvano on September 11, 2015, 05:44:17 pm
Also in regards to the Monza flap, wiring it open basically turns it into a Bombardone exhaust, so you lose some torque low down, the flap closed below 4krpm actually helps increase back pressure though the silencer, helping the turbo spool up more easily, above 4k rpm the flap opens and lets the exhaust gasses though the non silenced pipes, basically making it a racing exhaust where power at high rpm's are more important. The Monza is actually a very clever bit of design, the flap is actually there for a reason, not just so it sounds better. It basically gives you a street and a racing exhaust in one with the benefits of both.
But with a Bombardone, you also loss some torque down?
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: PORTHOS on September 11, 2015, 05:54:27 pm
I don't recommend wiring the Monza exhaust open no, were talking small losses here. I imagine Abarth spent quite a lot of time developing it but at the end of the day it's your choice.

I have seen quite few people now losing torque low down with the Bombardone, which makes perfect sense as there is no silencer to aid back pressure to help the turbo spool, but once the turbo is on boost it doesn't need back the pressure at higher rpm's. The Bombardone exhaust is not road legal and is aimed at track racing which makes perfect sense as you are only using the higher rpm range the whole time.

The Monza is a best of both solution.
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: sylvano on September 11, 2015, 07:45:46 pm
I don't recommend wiring the Monza exhaust open no, were talking small losses here. I imagine Abarth spent quite a lot of time developing it but at the end of the day it's your choice.

I have seen quite few people now losing torque low down with the Bombardone, which makes perfect sense as there is no silencer to aid back pressure to help the turbo spool, but once the turbo is on boost it doesn't need back the pressure at higher rpm's. The Bombardone exhaust is not road legal and is aimed at track racing which makes perfect sense as you are only using the higher rpm range the whole time.

The Monza is a best of both solution.

I think that a.lot.of time in developing to have a street.legal exhaust with a "plus". I dont think that is due to avoid.losings of.power
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: sylvano on September 11, 2015, 07:47:01 pm
I don't recommend wiring the Monza exhaust open no, were talking small losses here. I imagine Abarth spent quite a lot of time developing it but at the end of the day it's your choice.

I have seen quite few people now losing torque low down with the Bombardone, which makes perfect sense as there is no silencer to aid back pressure to help the turbo spool, but once the turbo is on boost it doesn't need back the pressure at higher rpm's. The Bombardone exhaust is not road legal and is aimed at track racing which makes perfect sense as you are only using the higher rpm range the whole time.

The Monza is a best of both solution.

That has sense.... :thumb:
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: Trials_guy on September 11, 2015, 08:21:26 pm
TBH, I didn't wire mine open because if you get water inside the exhaust it will corrode a lot quicker as there's nothing to blow it out / evaporate it from the silencer.
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: AdamAbarth on September 21, 2015, 08:41:55 pm
I don't recommend wiring the Monza exhaust open no, were talking small losses here. I imagine Abarth spent quite a lot of time developing it but at the end of the day it's your choice.

I have seen quite few people now losing torque low down with the Bombardone, which makes perfect sense as there is no silencer to aid back pressure to help the turbo spool, but once the turbo is on boost it doesn't need back the pressure at higher rpm's. The Bombardone exhaust is not road legal and is aimed at track racing which makes perfect sense as you are only using the higher rpm range the whole time.

The Monza is a best of both solution.

Been thinking about this. If the Monza exhaust wired open compromises performance why did Abarth put an Akrapovic exhaust on the Biposto which is manually operated and a road car.
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: Brian1612 on September 22, 2015, 09:25:47 am
I wired it open and didn't like the sound tbh. The car lost the rasp and became more burbly/boy racery and artificial. Also it was fine for the most part but on one occasion I planted my foot to the floor in 2nd gear at just under 3k Revs and the car done nothing. I thought something had gone wrong with the car, after 2-3 seconds it just burst into life. Not sure if this was anything to do with the valve being wired open at the time but the cable tie was cut off once I got home after that.
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: AdamAbarth on September 22, 2015, 10:45:06 am
I guess that's the valve then Brian. I'm just amazed the Biposto doesn't do the same with the valve permanently open....but then I haven't driven one.
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: PORTHOS on September 22, 2015, 11:10:23 am
I guess that's the valve then Brian. I'm just amazed the Biposto doesn't do the same with the valve permanently open....but then I haven't driven one.

The silencer helps the turbo spool at low rpm due to the back pressure, that is why it was designed that way.

If you ran it a few times the ECU would actually compensate a little bit, but then there is no point having the monza then, that's it's job.

Iv'e driven the Biposto, I drove it in and out of sport mode for a few laps, the bulk of the power was delivered slightly higher up the rpm range when the flap was open, but as it's actually changing the torque levels it's hard to tell, but it did seem more laggy than the 180 at low rpm's when the flap was open.
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: benn on September 22, 2015, 10:01:26 pm
The Bombardone exhaust is not road legal and is aimed at track racing which makes perfect sense as you are only using the higher rpm range the whole time

Depends what country you are talking about? UK it has no issues as the UK does not require TUV approval. The race use only badge on it is aimed more at Germany and Austria.

I agree regarding the torque loss though, although a remap soon sorts this out.

Our torque starts climbing from below 2k and peaks at 3k at well over 220 ftlbs. (On an IHI)
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: Maloutant on September 22, 2015, 10:29:44 pm
Porthos, can I ask if your stainless steel Monza looks a bit like what I personally think is a dog's dinner? Not the backbox itself, but the pipes. Mine (delivered early July, so far done 1000 dry miles) appear to show what some have described as oxidisation, and not to a small extent. Just all looks a bit old and pre-enjoyed. Also, the LHS of the backbox has a massive "X" scrawled on it in black marker pen?? ???
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: PORTHOS on September 23, 2015, 11:35:36 am
Porthos, can I ask if your stainless steel Monza looks a bit like what I personally think is a dog's dinner? Not the backbox itself, but the pipes. Mine (delivered early July, so far done 1000 dry miles) appear to show what some have described as oxidisation, and not to a small extent. Just all looks a bit old and pre-enjoyed. Also, the LHS of the backbox has a massive "X" scrawled on it in black marker pen?? ???

I'll take a pic for you of mine, I think they are OK :) I have that X however.
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: PORTHOS on September 23, 2015, 11:56:35 am
As for TUV approval benn, that's not what concerns me, actually changing your exhaust for a louder one (or modifying your own to be louder) is in fact illegal in the UK.

http://www.suffolk.police.uk/safetyadvice/roadsafety/knowthelaw/modifications.aspx

Don't get me wrong I've had modified exhausts in the past and probably will in the future but as admin it's not something I would encourage  :thumb: That and having a family of police officers....  ::)
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: Maloutant on September 23, 2015, 12:12:26 pm
Porthos, can I ask if your stainless steel Monza looks a bit like what I personally think is a dog's dinner? Not the backbox itself, but the pipes. Mine (delivered early July, so far done 1000 dry miles) appear to show what some have described as oxidisation, and not to a small extent. Just all looks a bit old and pre-enjoyed. Also, the LHS of the backbox has a massive "X" scrawled on it in black marker pen?? ???

I'll take a pic for you of mine, I think they are OK :) I have that X however.

here's a couple of mine  :thumb: the oxidisation seems to around the welds?

 
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: PORTHOS on September 23, 2015, 12:25:08 pm
Have you been polishing yours? ha ha. They are a bit rough and ready out the factory.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4aFJvGfs6Lw/VgKL3leMlPI/AAAAAAAAQxE/73305RtD8mw/s720-Ic42/1.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-zh-jPZqm7zo/VgKL32ZU0SI/AAAAAAAAQxI/lDlWPRML2pQ/s720-Ic42/2.jpg)
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: Maloutant on September 23, 2015, 12:35:47 pm
good grief, yours looks even worse! I'll just up now and take what I've got, thank you very much, lol.

thanks for showing me yours, Porthos  ;)
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: PORTHOS on September 23, 2015, 12:48:06 pm
Ha ha, no problem :)
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: benn on September 23, 2015, 12:51:46 pm
As for TUV approval benn, that's not what concerns me, actually changing your exhaust for a louder one (or modifying your own to be louder) is in fact illegal in the UK.

http://www.suffolk.police.uk/safetyadvice/roadsafety/knowthelaw/modifications.aspx

Don't get me wrong I've had modified exhausts in the past and probably will in the future but as admin it's not something I would encourage  :thumb: That and having a family of police officers....  ::)

Ah yeah knew about that. Mentioned it another topic and someone called me a liar lol. Couldn't find an article proving it at the time though, thanks.
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: Maloutant on September 23, 2015, 01:21:15 pm
Ha ha, no problem :)

still mystified by the X. Maybe that is to indicate where the scud missile is going to hit them!  ;)
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: laurie barclay2 on September 27, 2015, 05:51:35 pm
Like you PORTHOS, my old car never did it which is why I'm noticing it now.  I must admit it wasn't as bad when I filled up yesterday, started to get really noticable just under 70 where as it was from 50 the other day.

Yep sounds the same as mine, ha ha. I'll have a look later at it, but it is indeed over 50mph.

I do have a rattle on my exhaust that sounds AWFUL, you can hear it in the video around the 6 minute mark, it comes in at 3k and only just under. They are looking at it for me end of month :)

Oddly though this one is far far better than my 160, that had too many problems to list including a leaking battery that destroyed 20% of the engine bay, lol.

Hi Porthos, was wondering if there are any updates on your rattly exhaust?
I noticed a slight rattle coming from the underneath of mine the day I picked it up, and then a couple of weeks later I heard it again, strangely when turning left?

On friday night I went for a blast to the coast and back, and the rattle is still there, it comes in at a very specific 92mph (thanks to the huge digital speedo!), I'm thinking its exhaust or heat shield?
Anybody else with similar problem?
Overall though, I am loving the sound it makes, getting more pops now too!. It genuinely makes me laugh how loud it is when on choke :crazy: :thumb:
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: PORTHOS on September 27, 2015, 06:11:07 pm
Yes it is RIDICULOUS on choke! But settles down nicely afterwards. After having a non stop popping 160 with a monza for a few years it's actually a welcome break! ha ha.

The exhaust is being looked at on the 30th (Wednesday) and will post once they find out what it is, I'm guessing a bracket somewhere is causing the noise, or...... possibly the exhaust itself. But it literally just buzzes and you can hear it in the video, it's quite loud and a little embarrassing as people have told me they can hear it just following me, ha ha.......
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: laurie barclay2 on September 27, 2015, 06:26:01 pm
Thanks for that, I will keep an eye out for your dealers analysis of this problem. Was hoping it is nothing serious, and that it can wait until first oil change :thumb:
P.s. I will post some pictures of the new car...if it stays clean for long enough!
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: PORTHOS on October 06, 2015, 12:06:22 pm
Thanks for that, I will keep an eye out for your dealers analysis of this problem. Was hoping it is nothing serious, and that it can wait until first oil change :thumb:
P.s. I will post some pictures of the new car...if it stays clean for long enough!

Turns out it is indeed the bracket/spring of the Monza making the noise, I have got under the car and moved the spring about a bit, greased the flap up again and will take it for a drive to see if it's cured, if not they said they can replace under warranty but to be fair I am pretty sure I can fix it by adjusting the spring slightly.
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: benn on October 06, 2015, 12:27:48 pm
Porthos does the 180 now come with a centre section in the exhaust?
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: PORTHOS on October 06, 2015, 12:30:48 pm
A middle silencer? Nope....
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: benn on October 06, 2015, 12:32:39 pm
A middle silencer? Nope....

Ah okay I was misinformed then. I thought it did.

With the backbox being stainless, is any other part of the exhaust? Just curious thats all.

Ours is going to my exhaust guy when it arrives for the tips cut off and 2 slash cut ones welded onto the Monza.
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: Brian1612 on October 06, 2015, 12:36:22 pm
I think the whole exhaust is made on stainless steel now, not just the backbox?

Could you write us up a guide on how it is done Benn as it is something I would like to do with my own Monza. If it's a simple job I will be interested in changing the tips!
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: PORTHOS on October 06, 2015, 12:38:21 pm
Yes the two exhaust's will look GREAT, probably exactly what I'd do, keep the monza with the sound but with the twin pipe look, perfect.

Not sure on the rest, looks the same stainless to me.
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: benn on October 06, 2015, 12:39:25 pm
I think the whole exhaust is made on stainless steel now, not just the backbox?

Could you write us up a guide on how it is done Benn as it is something I would like to do with my own Monza. If it's a simple job I will be interested in changing the tips!

Yeah not a problem. We are sacrificing the tips from our current MM bombardone exhaust for it. Will stick photos and the cost once its done.
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: Brian1612 on October 06, 2015, 01:15:26 pm
I imagine buying tips from Halfords or any online Exhaust retailer is possible as long as they fit the current diameter of the Monza pipe?
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: benn on October 06, 2015, 01:32:10 pm
I imagine buying tips from Halfords or any online Exhaust retailer is possible as long as they fit the current diameter of the Monza pipe?

Yeah I would imagine that will be fine, when we cut the original ones off I will take measurements for people.
Title: Re: 160 comp vs 180 comp Monza comparison
Post by: PORTHOS on October 08, 2015, 01:52:05 pm
Just split this topic into Abarth 500 chat as it was going off topic, thanks.

https://www.abarthforum.co.uk/500-abarth/180-comp-monza-comparison/